{"id":1322,"date":"2017-01-30T09:21:30","date_gmt":"2017-01-30T09:21:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/mathwise.net\/?p=1322"},"modified":"2017-01-30T09:21:30","modified_gmt":"2017-01-30T09:21:30","slug":"reform-vs-traditional-math-curricula","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/mathwise.net\/?p=1322","title":{"rendered":"Reform vs. Traditional Math Curricula"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2><\/h2>\n<h2><\/h2>\n<h2>Reform vs. Traditional Math Curricula<\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2>PRELIMINARY REPORT ON A SURVEY<\/h2>\n<h2>OF THE GRADUATING CLASSES OF 1997 OF<\/h2>\n<h2>ANDOVER HIGH SCHOOL AND LAHSER HIGH SCHOOL,<\/h2>\n<h2>Bloomfield Hills, Michigan,<\/h2>\n<h2>CONCERNING THEIR HIGH SCHOOL MATH PROGRAMS AND HOW<\/h2>\n<h2>WELL THESE PROGRAMS PREPARED THEM FOR COLLEGE MATH<\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Gregory F. Bachelis, Ph.D.<\/p>\n<p>Professor of Mathematics,<\/p>\n<p>Wayne State University<\/p>\n<p>Detroit, Michigan <a href=\"#_ftn2\" name=\"_ftnref2\">[1]<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2>Dedication<\/h2>\n<p>This report, and the six months I spent working on the underlying survey, is dedicated to the students, past and present, of Andover and Lahser High Schools.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2>Acknowledgment<\/h2>\n<p>I would like to the thank several parents and others in the West Bloomfield and Bloomfield Hills School districts, and in particular Mark Schwartz, Ph.D., for their support and encouragement during the duration of this project<\/p>\n<p><strong><em><br \/>\n<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<h2>STATEMENT OF PURPOSE<\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>This survey was conducted to compare how high school students with differing high school math programs do in college.\u00a0 I conducted the survey in my capacity as a Professor of Mathematics at Wayne State University, where for 27 years I have taught and done research in mathematics, and more recently also in mathematics education and theoretical computer science.\u00a0 I conducted this survey as a public service to parents, students and others in the Bloomfield Hills School District, the West Bloomfield School District (where I live) and other districts where new programs have been introduced which have caused concerns among community members.\u00a0 It was also done as a service to the mathematical community, whose two main organizations<a href=\"#_ftn3\" name=\"_ftnref3\">[2]<\/a> are closely following the evolution of these new math curricula and the effect they are having on incoming college students.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I sent the survey questionnaire (see below) along with a covering letter bearing the letterhead of the Department of Mathematics of Wayne State University.\u00a0\u00a0 I gave my office phone number for people to call if they had any questions or concerns.\u00a0 There was also a stamped return envelope, addressed to my office, with which to return the survey.\u00a0 None of the above made it a \u201cWayne State Survey,&#8221; nor did I imply in any of my communications with the people being surveyed that this was anything but my own research project.\u00a0 Nor was any implication given that Wayne State would endorse any of the research\u2019s conclusions.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>In addition, the research was not funded by Wayne State University.\u00a0 The stamps on the return envelopes were paid for by interested parents; I did all of the work connected with the survey &#8212; clerical, follow-up phone calls and e-mail messages, data transcription and the like &#8212; and I was not given release time from my usual duties in order to accomplish all this.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>The report that follows is preliminary in nature. Further analysis needs to be done on the data, and this is currently being done by professors at another university.\u00a0 However, the report <em>does<\/em> include all the comments made by all the respondents, with accompanying information supplied by them &#8212; GPA\u2019s, SAT and\/or ACT scores, college attended, college major, etc.&#8211; in order to give the comments a context.\u00a0 Since I promised confidentiality to the respondents, I have blurred the contextual information, in a manner explained later, so as to preserve their anonymity.\u00a0 I have also, in a few cases, paraphrased or deleted portions of the comments in order to protect the identity of the respondent.\u00a0 In each case this is clearly indicated.\u00a0 None of the above actions detract in any material way from the information that they provided.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>In closing, I wish to reiterate that this research project was performed by myself as an individual faculty member of Wayne State University, conducting a survey on what I considered to be a matter of public interest within the area of my professional expertise.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong><em><br \/>\n<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<h2>The Advent of Core-Plus in Bloomfield Hills<\/h2>\n<p>The Bloomfield Hills School District (BHSD) is located in Oakland County, Michigan.\u00a0 It is a 25-square-mile area, which is comprised of virtually the entire city of Bloomfield Hills, most of Bloomfield Township, a large portion of eastern West Bloomfield Township, and a small part of the city of Troy.\u00a0 The district has two high schools, Andover and Lahser, and three middle schools, West Hills, Bloomfield Hills and East Hills.\u00a0 The middle schools all house grades six through eight.\u00a0 West Hills feeds Andover, East Hills feeds Lahser, and Bloomfield Hills Middle School feeds both high schools.<\/p>\n<p>In the fall of 1993, Andover High School began what would be a four-year phase-out of its (non-accelerated) \u201ctraditional\u201d math program, which had been as follows:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Ninth grade\u00a0 &#8212; Algebra 1<\/li>\n<li>Tenth Grade &#8212; Geometry<\/li>\n<li>Eleventh Grade &#8211;Algebra 2<\/li>\n<li>Twelfth Grade &#8211; Pre-Calculus<a href=\"#_ftn4\" name=\"_ftnref4\">[3]<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>In its place the Core-Plus Mathematics Project (CPMP or Core-Plus) was installed; it is an integrated math program using modeling, simulation and cooperative learning, which makes extensive use of graphing calculators.\u00a0 Core-Plus was phased in on a year-by-year basis, so that by the 1996-97 school year it was the exclusive math program at Andover, with the exception of AP Calculus and AP Statistics.<a href=\"#_ftn5\" name=\"_ftnref5\">[4]<\/a>\u00a0 The latter courses are typically taken in the twelfth grade by \u201caccelerated students,\u201d by which I mean those who take Algebra 1 or Core 1 before the ninth grade.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIntegrated\u201d or \u201cReform Math\u201d refers at the high school level<a href=\"#_ftn6\" name=\"_ftnref6\">[5]<\/a> to constructing the curriculum out of four \u201cstrands\u201d:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Algebra and Functions,<\/li>\n<li>Probability and Statistics,<\/li>\n<li>Geometry &amp; Trigonometry,<\/li>\n<li>Discrete Mathematics.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>These are woven together for a three or four-year curriculum, rather than being taught as separate courses.<\/p>\n<p>Core-Plus was introduced at Andover in 1993 as a pilot project, which means that this was the first time it was used anywhere in an actual classroom setting.\u00a0 According to Professor Harold Schoen, evaluation Director of Core-Plus,\u00a0 \u201cThe pilot test was designed mainly to provide feedback to the authors from teachers and students concerning what worked well, what did not and what improvements were needed.\u201d<a href=\"#_ftn7\" name=\"_ftnref7\">[6]<\/a>\u00a0\u00a0 In 1994 the field testing of Core 1 began in 36 high schools in Michigan and around the country.\u00a0 Core-Plus was originally intended as a three-year curriculum.\u00a0 However, according to Marcia Weinhold, the Outreach Coordinator of Core-Plus, \u201cDuring their senior year, [the non-accelerated Andover] students studied three prototype units for a possible fourth-year course that was envisioned by Core-Plus.\u00a0 Thus, the curriculum these students pursued was not a complete four-year curriculum.\u201d<a href=\"#_ftn8\" name=\"_ftnref8\">[7]<\/a>\u00a0\u00a0 The field testing for Core 4 started in the fall of 1998.<\/p>\n<h2>The Accelerated Students<\/h2>\n<p>A substantial portion of the Andover Class of 1997 consisted of students who had been accelerated in math, and hence had not taken Core-Plus. These students as a rule had taken Algebra 1 during the 1992-93 school year, while still in middle school.\u00a0 So when this group arrived at Andover in 1993, they rode the last wave of the traditional math sequence while the non-accelerated students rode the first wave of Core-Plus.\u00a0 Lahser, the other high school, stayed \u201ctraditional.\u201d\u00a0 Core-Plus was introduced at the middle school level, so that accelerated students destined for Andover could take it in the eighth grade, in (I believe) January, 1994.<\/p>\n<h2>Controversy over Core-Plus<\/h2>\n<p>So, in June 1997, the first class having completed four years of Core-Plus graduated Andover High School.\u00a0 Subsequently, reports of some of these graduates having difficulties on the math placement exams at the University of Michigan &#8211; Ann Arbor (UMAA) and Michigan State University (MSU) began to surface. On October 28, 1997, a joint meeting of the Bloomfield Hills and West Bloomfield School Boards was held to discuss reform math.\u00a0 After the featured speaker had finished the main part of his presentation, several parents and others took to the floor to express their thoughts and concerns about Core-Plus and about how this first graduating class was doing in college.\u00a0 I live in the West Bloomfield School District (WBSD), which had started introducing Core-Plus, and phasing out their existing math program, in 1995.<a href=\"#_ftn9\" name=\"_ftnref9\">[8]<\/a><\/p>\n<p>I had participated in several meetings of my school board during the preceding year, at which Core-Plus was discussed, and I attended this joint meeting.\u00a0 After attending a number of additional meetings organized by parents, in both BHSD and WBSD, concerning the impact of Core-Plus, and mindful of the intense scrutiny the mathematical community is giving the evolution of such reform math programs, I decided to do a survey of the 1997 graduates of Andover, in order to determine their opinions about Core-Plus and to get as complete as possible a picture of their mathematical experiences since graduation.<a href=\"#_ftn10\" name=\"_ftnref10\">[9]<\/a><\/p>\n<p>I surveyed the entire Andover class of 1997; the reason being that I did not know <em>a priori<\/em> who had been accelerated and who had not.\u00a0 Also, with the accelerated students I could study how well students with a traditional high school math background do in Reform Calculus courses such as \u201cHarvard Calculus,\u201d<a href=\"#_ftn11\" name=\"_ftnref11\">[10]<\/a> The latter is the flagship calculus course of UMAA; it is also taught at MSU, but on a more limited basis.<a href=\"#_ftn12\" name=\"_ftnref12\">[11]<\/a>\u00a0 One of the main claims of Core-Plus and other programs of its type is that they are a better preparation for Reform Calculus courses than the more traditional curricula.<a href=\"#_ftn13\" name=\"_ftnref13\">[12]<\/a><\/p>\n<p>The survey commenced in late April of 1998 and concluded in mid-September, as far as any activity on my part soliciting responses.\u00a0 The covering letter and survey questionnaire are given below in compressed form. (Most blank lines and some lines for answers have been deleted.)\u00a0 The original questionnaire consisted of three pages plus the optional section.<\/p>\n<h2>Covering Letter and Survey Questionnaire<\/h2>\n<p>******************************************************************************************<\/p>\n<table>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"295\">College of Science<\/td>\n<td width=\"295\">Department of Mathematics<\/p>\n<p>Detroit, Michigan 48202<\/p>\n<p>(313) 577-2479<\/p>\n<p>(313) 577-7596 FAX<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>April 22, 1998<\/p>\n<p>Dear __________________,<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I am conducting a survey of 1997 graduates of several high schools, including yours, who entered college in the summer or fall of 1997.\u00a0 We would appreciate your cooperation in this effort to evaluate how high school math programs are preparing students for college level mathematics.\u00a0 The results of this survey will be used for independent research regarding high school math curricula and individual names will be kept confidential.\u00a0 We are asking you for a few minutes of your time to complete the enclosed questionnaire and then to return it in the enclosed envelope.\u00a0 Please feel free to call me at my office at Wayne State at 313-577-3178, or to send e-mail to greg@math.wayne.edu, if you have any questions or concerns.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Thank you for your cooperation,<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Gregory Bachelis, Ph.D.<\/p>\n<p>Professor<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>********************************************************************************************<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>MATH SURVEY<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>High School graduated from in 199___\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ________________________________High School<\/li>\n<li>High School GPA ______\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Honors or Awards__________________________________<\/li>\n<li>Academic interests in high school\u00a0\u00a0 <u>1.<\/u>______________________<u>2.<\/u>_______________<\/li>\n<li><u> 4.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 5.\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad<\/u>\u00ad________________<u>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/u><\/li>\n<li>Scores on SAT\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Math ________Verbal\u00a0 ________\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 PSAT\u00a0\u00a0 Math______\u00a0 Verbal ____<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>ACT\u00a0\u00a0 ________\u00a0\u00a0 PLAN _______\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Other (specify) ______________________<\/p>\n<ol start=\"5\">\n<li>Did you take any Advanced Placement tests?\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0No\u00a0 .\u00a0 If so, please specify.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Subject\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Score\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Year\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Subject\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Score\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0Year<\/p>\n<p>________________ _______\u00a0\u00a0 _____\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ________________ \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ______\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 _____<\/p>\n<ol start=\"6\">\n<li>Did you take any ACT or SAT prep courses?\u00a0\u00a0 Yes\u00a0\u00a0 No\u00a0\u00a0 If so, please tell from whom and give dates.:<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>________________________________________________________________________<\/p>\n<ol start=\"7\">\n<li>Math courses taken in High School: (Please fill in the appropriate box with the grade(s) received.)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<table>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"40\"><strong>Year<\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"39\"><strong>Alg 1<\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"39\"><strong>Alg 2<\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"39\"><strong>Geom<\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"38\"><strong>Trig<\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"38\"><strong>Adv Alg<\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"38\"><strong>Pre Calc<\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"38\"><strong>AB<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Calc<\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"38\"><strong>BC Calc<\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"38\"><strong>Core Plus 1<\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"38\"><strong>Core Plus 2<\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"38\"><strong>Core Plus 3<\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"38\"><strong>Core Plus 4<\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"86\"><strong>Other (specify)<\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"86\"><strong>School Name<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"40\"><strong>Fresh<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"40\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"40\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"39\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"86\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"86\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"40\"><strong>Soph<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"40\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"40\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"39\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"86\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"86\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"40\"><strong>Junior<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"40\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"40\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"39\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"86\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"86\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"40\"><strong>Senior<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"40\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"40\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"39\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"38\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"86\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"86\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<ol start=\"8\">\n<li>Did you receive any math tutoring while in high school?\u00a0 (besides SAT or ACT prep, if any)\u00a0 Yes\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.\u00a0 If so, please give details on the next page. (Indicate if tutoring was private, provided in school, or by a commercial organization.)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>I received tutoring in:<\/p>\n<p>Subject\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 _____________________\u00a0\u00a0 Year\u00a0\u00a0 ____________\u00a0\u00a0 From\u00a0\u00a0 ________________<\/p>\n<ol start=\"9\">\n<li>Did you participate in any summer math programs during the years you were in high school?<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>If so, please specify subject, year, and who sponsored them.<\/p>\n<p>______________________________________________________________________________<\/p>\n<ol start=\"10\">\n<li>Did you enter college after graduating from high school?\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 If no, or if you haven\u2019t taken any math courses or placement exams in college, please skip to question 16. Otherwise, please continue with questions 11 &#8211; 15.<\/li>\n<li>Please specify any college math courses taken during the summer of 1997, or the 1997-98 academic year.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<table>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"105\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"173\"><strong>Math Course<\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"173\"><strong>College\/University<\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"58\"><strong>Grade<\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"115\"><strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Text *<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"105\"><strong>Summer \u201897<\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"173\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"173\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"58\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"115\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"105\"><strong>Fall \u201897<\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"173\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"173\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"58\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"115\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"105\"><strong>Winter \u201898<\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"173\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"173\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"58\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"115\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"105\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"173\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"173\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"58\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"115\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>*Please identify the text by listing the author or first author, if there are several. (e.g.\u00a0 Stewart, Thomas, Finney,\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Hughes-Hallett, Stein, Anton, Ostebee, Ellis, Edwards, Swokowski, Varberg, Larson, Dick, Wattenberg)<\/p>\n<ol start=\"12\">\n<li>\u00a0Did you take a math placement exam in college?\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 .\u00a0 If so, please tell where taken, the nature of \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0the exam and your score and\/or in what course you were placed.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>______________________________________________________________________________<\/p>\n<ol start=\"13\">\n<li>Have you sought any math tutoring in college?\u00a0 Yes\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 If so, please give\u00a0 subject(s) tutored in and reason(s) for seeking tutoring.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>______________________________________________________________________________<\/p>\n<ol start=\"14\">\n<li>What is your intended major?\u00a0 \u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad_____________________________________________<\/li>\n<li>Please answer the following two questions, when applicable, on a scale from 5 to 1.<\/li>\n<li>a) Math courses I had in high school, other than calculus (if taken), helped me with my<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>college math courses\u00a0 (circle one)<\/p>\n<p><u>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a05\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 4\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 2\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 1\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/u><\/p>\n<p>very much\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 somewhat\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 not at all<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>b) Calculus I took in high school helped me with my college math courses. (circle one)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><u>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a05\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a04\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 2\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 1\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/u>\u00a0(Does not apply<u>)<\/u><\/p>\n<p>very much\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 somewhat\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 not at all<\/p>\n<ol start=\"16\">\n<li>Please give any additional comments you wish to make concerning your math experiences in high school or \u00a0 college.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ______________________________________________________________________________<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>______________________________________________________________________________<\/p>\n<p><strong>Thank you for your cooperation.\u00a0 <\/strong>\u00a0There is an optional section on the next page.\u00a0 When you have completed this questionnaire, please return it in the enclosed envelope to<\/p>\n<p>Professor Gregory Bachelis<\/p>\n<p>Department of Mathematics<\/p>\n<p>Wayne State University<\/p>\n<p>Detroit, MI 48202<strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>******************************************************************************<\/p>\n<p><strong>OPTIONAL SECTION<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>NAME ___________________________\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 AGE _________ SEX :\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 M\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 F<\/p>\n<p>HOME ADDRESS________________________________________________________<\/p>\n<p>COLLEGE ADDRESS (if different from above) _________________________________<\/p>\n<p>May we contact you to obtain any further comments?\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No<\/p>\n<p>TELEPHONE\u00a0 NUMBER(S) ________________________________________________<\/p>\n<p>E-MAIL ADDRESS __________________________________<\/p>\n<p>******************************************************************************<\/p>\n<p>In the eighteen months prior to my decision to conduct the survey, I had spoken out about Core-Plus.\u00a0 I was skeptical of the claim being made that it was suitable for all students, and I was critical of the fact that it was being implemented at certain schools to the exclusion of almost the entire previously existing math courses; the latter was the case at Andover and at West Bloomfield High School, the sole high school in WBSD.\u00a0 I felt qualified to speak out, since I have been a mathematics professor for over 30 years, and I have taught, at one time or another, all of the subjects that are included in these new integrated curricula.\u00a0 I felt that it was impossible to do these subjects justice by cramming them into a three or four year high school curriculum<\/p>\n<p>However, I do not feel that my voicing criticisms and concerns disqualified me from conducting the survey.\u00a0 Certainly I am capable of wearing different hats, and people doing surveys are entitled to have opinions on the subject under study.\u00a0 The key point is whether the survey is conducted in a fair and impartial manner.\u00a0 In this regard, note that the tone of the letter and questionnaire is quite neutral.\u00a0 There are no \u201cloaded\u201d questions.\u00a0 My follow-up phone calls and e-mail messages, encouraging people to respond, were also quite neutral in tone. I knew none of those surveyed beforehand. Also, only a few of them attend Wayne State, which has about 17,000 undergraduates.\u00a0 For these reasons there was no pressure on them to respond.\u00a0 In any case, the respondents to this survey were not analogous to a jury being picked prior to a trial. They had had the course, so to speak.<\/p>\n<h2>The Control Group<\/h2>\n<p>In surveys of this type, there is a lot of\u00a0 \u201cnoise\u201d that needs to be filtered out.\u00a0 If the Core-Plus graduates were the treatment group, then who to use as controls?\u00a0 It would not have been fair to the Core-Plus group to use the accelerated Andover students as controls.\u00a0 Virtually all of the latter had taken calculus in the 12th grade, and it had been determined that they were among the better math students in their class &#8211; by exams, grades or other means &#8211; or else they wouldn\u2019t have been accelerated in the first place<a href=\"#_ftn14\" name=\"_ftnref14\">[13]<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>I decided to survey the 1997 graduates of Lahser, the other high school in the district, which had stayed traditional.\u00a0 I could then use the non-accelerated Lahser students, or perhaps the Lahser students who didn\u2019t take Calculus in the 12th grade (which includes the non-accelerated ones), as controls.\u00a0 With the remaining Lahser students I could study the same question as with the accelerated Andover students, concerning Traditional vs. Reform curricula.\u00a0 I could also compare these Lahser students with the accelerated Andover students, pre-Core-Plus.<\/p>\n<p>I believe my choice of control groups was a reasonable one. The populations of the two high schools are similar socioeconomically, they are in the same school district, and one of the middle schools even feeds both of them.\u00a0 In 1993, when Core-Plus was introduced at Andover, students in the district could in fact choose which high school to attend.\u00a0 I have only anecdotal evidence as to what effect, if any, the advent of Core-Plus had on traffic between Andover and Lahser, or out of the public system entirely to private schools such as Cranbrook Academy or Detroit Country Day School, or to parochial schools such as Marian High School or Brother Rice High School.\u00a0 In 1997, choice of high schools in the District was ended for the time being because of an imbalance in favor of Lahser.<a href=\"#_ftn15\" name=\"_ftnref15\">[14]<\/a> <strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<h2>Survey Mechanics, Population Size and Rate of Response<\/h2>\n<p>In 1997, there were 228 graduates of Andover High School, and 258 of Lahser High School.<a href=\"#_ftn16\" name=\"_ftnref16\">[15]<\/a>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I determined the size of the population being surveyed and response rate of each high school as follows:<\/p>\n<h2>Andover High School<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>1997: 228 total graduates<\/li>\n<li>one exchange student &#8212; returned home<\/li>\n<li>at least four other students had left the country<\/li>\n<li>probable valid addresses for all but one of the remaining students<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Therefore student <u>population size<\/u> = 228 &#8211; 1 &#8211;\u00a0 4 &#8211;\u00a0 1 = 222<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>112 total replies<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><u>Response rate <\/u>\u00a0= 112 total replies\/222 population size = 50%<\/p>\n<h2>Lahser High School<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>1997: 258 total graduates<\/li>\n<li>one exchange student &#8212; returned home<\/li>\n<li>probable valid addresses for all but six of the remaining students<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Therefore student <u>population size <\/u>= 258 &#8211; 1 &#8211;\u00a0 6 = 251<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>75 total replies<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><u>Response rate <\/u>\u00a0= 75 total replies\/251 population size = 30%.<\/p>\n<p>In late April and early May the questionnaire and covering letter were mailed to all 1997 graduates from both high schools.\u00a0 A stamped envelope with my return address at Wayne State was included.\u00a0 The initial mailing was followed up by phone calls or e-mail messages (when e-mail addresses could be determined).\u00a0 These follow-up contacts were made by me, so that there would be consistency in the messages being sent by e-mail or left on phone answering machines, and in the phone conversations. Based on these contacts, a second questionnaire was often dispatched, as its predecessor had been misplaced or discarded for sundry reasons.\u00a0 I have communicated in the ways indicated above with over 80% of the 473 graduates (or in some cases, family members) who were being surveyed.<\/p>\n<p>One can only speculate as to the reasons why some graduates did not respond to the survey.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The non-respondents might include those who<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>for one reason or another, never received the questionnaire;<\/li>\n<li>were apathetic, busy, etc.;<\/li>\n<li>objected to a survey in the first place;<\/li>\n<li>didn\u2019t want to revisit high school issues.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SOME WORDS OF CAUTION<\/h2>\n<p>I wish to make the following three points.<\/p>\n<p>1) I want to stress that I was not trying to determine how well the various curricula were taught.\u00a0 This is certainly an issue, especially with a radical new curriculum like Core-Plus.\u00a0 I was simply trying to find out how the various curricula, as taught, prepared the students for college math, their reaction to their high school math experiences, and also how much extra help, such as tutoring, they sought.<a href=\"#_ftn17\" name=\"_ftnref17\">[16]<\/a><\/p>\n<p>2) The information is only that provided by the respondents, and has not been independently verified.\u00a0 They were promised confidentiality by me, and I believe they made a good faith effort to give accurate answers to the questions. Certainly a number of the comments \u00a0 were quite candid.<\/p>\n<p>3) Many schools besides Andover High School have phased in new math programs like Core-Plus, mainly in response to the promulgation of the 1989 NCTM Standards<a href=\"#_ftn18\" name=\"_ftnref18\">[17]<\/a>, although \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 some of these schools have also kept the traditional track, thus allowing for \u201cchoice\u201d and for comparison of the two curricula.<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>SOME STATISTICAL ANALYSIS<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The Andover respondents fall naturally into two groups:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>I:\u00a0 non-accelerated (Core-Plus), and<\/li>\n<li>II: accelerated (virtually all of who took Calculus).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The Lahser respondents fall naturally into three groups, since a lot of the accelerated students did not take AP Calculus, although a number of them did take AP Statistics.\u00a0 These groups are<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>I: non-accelerated,<\/li>\n<li>II: accelerated, no Calculus, and<\/li>\n<li>III: accelerated, with Calculus <a href=\"#_ftn19\" name=\"_ftnref19\">[18]<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The answers to 15a) of Andover I are compared to those of Lahser I and II in the following table.\u00a0 Recall that question 15 was:<\/p>\n<ol start=\"15\">\n<li>Please answer the following two questions, when applicable, on a scale from 5 to 1.<\/li>\n<li>a)\u00a0 Math courses I had in high school, other than calculus (if taken), helped me with my\u00a0\u00a0 college math courses\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (circle one)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><u>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 5\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 4\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 2\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 1\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/u>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 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much\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0somewhat\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 not at all<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>b) Calculus I took in high school helped me with my college math courses. (circle one)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><u>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 5\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 4\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 2\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 1\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0 <\/u>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0(Does not apply) \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0very much\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 somewhat\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 not at all<\/p>\n<p>We have the following results.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Group\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mean response\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Standard Deviation\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Number of Responses<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Andover I\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a01.78\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 0.94\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 53<\/p>\n<p>Lahser I\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.39\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a01.09\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 23<\/p>\n<p><u>Lahser I&amp;II\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.46\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 1.05\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 35\u00a0\u00a0 ________<\/u><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Table I: Answers to 15a) for Andover I, Lahser I, and Lahser I&amp;II<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Assuming linearity of the response scale, this means that the Lahser students without calculus thought their high school math was approximately twice as helpful with college math than the Andover Core-Plus students did.<\/p>\n<p>I should mention that a number of respondents appear to have been confused about 15b) and to have thought that the word \u201ccalculus\u201d applied to college rather than high school.\u00a0\u00a0 So, for example, all of the respondents in the above three groups should have circled \u201cDoes not apply\u201d in 15b), and this was not the case.\u00a0 The answers to 15a) and 15b) for Andover II and Lahser III are now compared.<\/p>\n<p>______________________________________________________________________<\/p>\n<p><strong>Group\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Question\u00a0\u00a0 Mean response\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Standard Deviation\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Number of Responses<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Andover II\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 15a)\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.81\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 1.13\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 36<\/p>\n<p>Andover II\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 15b)\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 4.01\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 1.34\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 35<\/p>\n<p>Lahser III\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 15a) \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a03.50\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 1.24\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 28<\/p>\n<p>Lahser III\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 15b)\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.80\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 1.30\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 30<\/p>\n<p>______________________________________________________________________<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Table II: Answers to 15a) and 15b) for Andover II and Lahser III<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>This means that all groups who had high school calculus answered between 3.5 and 4 on average, when asked about the helpfulness of high school calculus or of high school math before calculus, and that Andover was slightly more generous than Lahser. Considering both tables, we see that the average answer of each of the groups, except Andover Core-Plus, was roughly 2 times more than Andover Core-Plus.<\/p>\n<p>Further statistical analysis of the data is needed, and this is currently being done by several professors at Stanford University.<\/p>\n<h2>The Comments<\/h2>\n<p>I have decided to report all the comments verbatim, subject to the following protocol.\u00a0 I have corrected spelling errors and expanded abbreviations.\u00a0 In a few instances I have deleted a word or phrase to protect the confidentiality of the respondent.\u00a0 These deletions are denoted \u201c[&#8230;]\u201d.\u00a0 In a few cases I have added a few words or paraphrased.\u00a0 Such paraphrasing or additions are enclosed in square brackets.<\/p>\n<p>I have given the answer and accompanying remarks to question 13 about math tutoring in college, when there were remarks made that were worth noting, since this question did indeed generate a lot of comments.\u00a0 I have also included those parts of answers to question 12, which asks whether a math placement exam was taken in college, that relate to the score received and the resulting placement, since this is a matter of some controversy.<a href=\"#_ftn20\" name=\"_ftnref20\">[19]<\/a>\u00a0\u00a0 I have also included affirmative answers to question 8 about math tutoring in high school, and excerpts from the answers given, since this too has been a matter of some interest; to wit, did Core-Plus generate more than the \u201cusual\u201d amount of math tutoring.\u00a0 In this regard, I have included affirmative answers to question 9 about summer programs when they relate to summer school as opposed to summer \u201cmath camps.\u201d\u00a0 In addition, I have given the answers to question 15a) for Andover I and Lahser I&amp;II and to questions 15 a) and b) for Andover II and Lahser III.<\/p>\n<p>Besides the above, in order to give the comments more context, I supply some information about the respondent, blurred somewhat so as to preserve anonymity.\u00a0 This \u201cblurring\u201d is accomplished as follows: High School GPA\u2019s, and SAT and\/or ACT scores, when given, are reported in a certain range, rather than by exact value.<\/p>\n<p>Colleges, except for UMAA (The University of Michigan &#8211; Ann Arbor) and MSU (Michigan State University), are reported by category, these being:<\/p>\n<p>Michigan-Public,<\/p>\n<p>Non-Michigan-Public,<\/p>\n<p>Private,<\/p>\n<p>Private-regional, and<\/p>\n<p>Other (specialty schools, no college attended, or college unknown).<\/p>\n<p>College majors are also reported by category, these being<\/p>\n<p>Science (which includes mathematics and psychology),<\/p>\n<p>Engineering,<\/p>\n<p>Business,<\/p>\n<p>Education,<\/p>\n<p>Nursing (which includes medical technicians and physical therapy),<\/p>\n<p>Design,<\/p>\n<p>Fine &amp; Performing Arts;<\/p>\n<p>Pre-professional (which includes architecture),<\/p>\n<p>Communications (which includes journalism),<\/p>\n<p>Social Science, and<\/p>\n<p>Liberal Arts<a href=\"#_ftn21\" name=\"_ftnref21\">[20]<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately, I cannot supply an indication of grades in high school math classes, because a lot of respondents, in answering question 7, merely put X\u2019s in the grid to indicate which courses they took, without listing the grade received, as was requested.\u00a0 In some cases this was no doubt because they couldn\u2019t remember the actual grades.\u00a0 I don\u2019t see the purpose of supplying information that can only be done so sporadically.<\/p>\n<p>I want to make it very clear that I did not solicit comments beyond what people wrote in their returned questionnaires.\u00a0 In a few cases respondents sent e-mail messages with comments prior to sending in their questionnaires, and I have included these where they were not duplicated by the written comments. In a number of cases, during the course of my phone calls subsequent to the mailing of the questionnaires to encourage people to respond, graduates or their parents gave opinions.\u00a0 In these cases, I said that I could not do the survey over the phone, and I encouraged them to send in their questionnaires.\u00a0 I made no written record of such conversations.<\/p>\n<p>A majority of the respondents chose to answer the Optional Section and to answer \u201cYes\u201d to the question asking whether they could be contacted for additional comments.\u00a0 In these cases I thanked them, by phone or e-mail, for responding to the survey, and I encouraged them to get other graduates to respond.\u00a0 In some cases I also sought clarification to their answers to one question or another, and in a few of these cases, comments were made by respondents which I then added to their written comments (and these additions are so noted); but as I said above, I did not solicit comments beyond what the respondents had chosen to write.<a href=\"#_ftn22\" name=\"_ftnref22\">[21]<\/a><\/p>\n<h2>Some Conclusions<\/h2>\n<p>I will let the reader draw his or her own conclusions as to the validity or reliability of the comments.\u00a0 One conclusion I wish to make is that, if some of the Lahser comments give the reasons why curricula such as Core-Plus have been developed to try to make mathematics more meaningful and accessible, then surely a preponderance of the Andover comments &#8211; even some by people who were not in the program &#8211; indicate that the cure is much worse than the disease for students who need to take additional math courses in college, and perhaps for others.<\/p>\n<p>The other matter I would like to comment on is the performance of Core-Plus graduates on the placement tests at UMAA, MSU, as well as other colleges.\u00a0 A lot of them complained that they did not do well because of their lack of knowledge of basic algebra, and some said they did not do well even in the courses they <em>were<\/em> placed into.\u00a0 Now it is all well and good to say that people are just having a bad day when they do poorly on a placement test, but as someone who has taught remedial algebra for more years than I care to remember, let me assure you that there is a big difference between learning basic algebra and then forgetting most or all of it, and never having learned it at all.\u00a0 Core-Plus appears to have created a new category of students who land in remedial math courses &#8211; courses that were not designed with such students in mind.<\/p>\n<h2>Further Work<\/h2>\n<p>This is after all a preliminary report, so I welcome any suggestions or corrections, and I will make appropriate changes where indicated.\u00a0 As I mentioned above, more analysis of the data is being carried out.\u00a0 In this report I have chosen not to study in detail the issue of high school math vs. reform calculus in college; however some of the comments of the students do shed some light on this.<a href=\"#_ftn23\" name=\"_ftnref23\">[22]<\/a>\u00a0 Parenthetically, I wish to point out that the comments made by the respondents about the T. A.\u2019s at The University of Michigan (called GSI\u2019s for Graduate Student Instructors) are probably not much different than those that would be made by students at any other major university in the U.S.<\/p>\n<p>There are also other groups that should be surveyed.\u00a0 For example, the accelerated group that graduated from Andover in 1998 after 4 years (or maybe 3 and 1\/2) of Core-Plus followed by one year of AP Calculus should be studied.\u00a0 I tried to get information about this group, but I only have a few anecdotes about how they are doing.\u00a0 Also, non-accelerated groups a year after graduating whom had field-tested Core-Plus, as opposed to pilot testing and testing prototypes, could be studied.\u00a0 West Bloomfield High School now has a hybrid version of Core-Plus, in which certain Core modules have been deleted in favor of algebra drill.<a href=\"#_ftn24\" name=\"_ftnref24\">[23]<\/a>\u00a0 (The courses being taught at that high school this year are one year past field testing, except for Core 4.)\u00a0 Groups having had this type of curriculum could be studied as well.<\/p>\n<p>I leave such surveys to others, as I am not up to an encore.<\/p>\n<a name=\"wptoc_0_0_0\"><\/a><a name=\"wptoc_0_0_2\"><\/a><h1><\/h1>\n<p><strong><br \/>\n<\/strong><\/p>\n<a name=\"wptoc_0_0_1\"><\/a><h1>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Comments in Context<a href=\"#_ftn25\" name=\"_ftnref25\">[24]<\/a><\/h1>\n<a name=\"wptoc_1_1_0\"><\/a><a name=\"wptoc_2_1_0\"><\/a><h2>Andover Group I Students {non-accelerated (Core Plus)} who made Comments about Core Plus<a href=\"#_ftn26\" name=\"_ftnref26\">[25]<\/a><\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 4.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 2.75-3.25;\u00a0 SAT M 400-500 V 500-600;\u00a0 Michigan-Public; Education<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Core Plus was a waste of my time.\u00a0 I have very few math skills, and none of them helped me with Algebra I in College.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam? Yes. I suppose I didn\u2019t pass because I was placed in 110, the second lowest<strong><em>.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 <strong>Yes. I have never understood Algebra because of Core Plus math in<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 High School.\u00a0\u00a0 I went to the tutor lab 3 times per week and I still did poorly.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>15a) 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 8.\u00a0 2.75-3.25; SAT M 500-600 V 500-600; ACT 18-20; Michigan-Public; Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>With the new program of math at Andover I did not feel prepared to enter the level I was placed at in the University.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam? Yes.\u00a0 I was placed in Intermediate Algebra.<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 <em>No.\u00a0 I decided that I should prepare myself by taking a couple of math classes at a community college before I go and take it at [my university]<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 14.\u00a0 2.75-3.25;\u00a0 ACT 24-26;\u00a0 Michigan-Public;\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>[Core Plus] was probably the most horrible experience I have ever gone through in high school<em>.<\/em><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school? Yes. 1996.<\/p>\n<p>Andover 16.\u00a0 3.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Communications<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Should not use notes for test, because you can\u2019t at college<\/strong>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Math.\u00a0 On and off throughout High School<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I got a 6%<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>.Andover 17.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.75 &#8211; 4.0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 21-23\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0 Social Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Helped me learn new way of thinking, but high school math should have taught more basic math concepts<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Basic Math.\u00a0 1995-96.<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam? <strong><em>\u00a0Yes.\u00a0 Got 0\/10 because knew no traditional math<\/em><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 19.\u00a0\u00a0 3.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 18-20;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Communications<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I hated Core Plus; thought it was a waste and very boring.\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 29%.\u00a0 pre-calc.<\/p>\n<p>Andover 20.\u00a0 2.75-3.25;\u00a0 SAT M 500-600 V 600-700;\u00a0 Michigan-Public; Fine &amp; Performing \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Arts or \u00a0\u00a0 Education.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I thought math would be really easy at [&#8230;]\u00a0 because [&#8230;].\u00a0 But High School did nothing for me.\u00a0 It seems all I took from High School math was how to use the TI-82.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I placed into Normal.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 2<\/p>\n<p>Andover 27.\u00a0\u00a0 2.75-3.25;\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 21-23;\u00a0\u00a0 Michigan-Public;\u00a0\u00a0 Design<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Core Plus has got to be one of the worst math programs.\u00a0 We were never taught any of the basics and most are suffering in college math courses<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in college? <strong>\u00a0Yes. College Algebra, because I did not learn (was not taught) in high school.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 31.\u00a0 2.75-3.25;\u00a0 SAT M 400-500 V 500-600;\u00a0 ACT 21-23;\u00a0 MSU\u00a0 Communications<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>The math I received in high school did not prepare me for the math I received in college.\u00a0 I was \u00a0\u00a0 expected to know many things in my college course that I do not feel the Core Plus program prepared me for.\u00a0 I was very behind in my knowledge of mathematics upon entering my college \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 math course \u00a0\u00a0 [Intermediate Algebra].<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Summer School. Before freshman year.\u00a0 First-level Algebra.<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I [had] a raw score of 5 right and was placed in the lowest level of math, 1825 [Intermediate Algebra].<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 2<\/p>\n<p>Andover 40.\u00a0 3.25-3.75;\u00a0 ACT 24-26;\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Core Plus focused on theory instead of numbers whereas calculus at U of M focused on numbers \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 [and] then explained the theory behind it.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 42 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Undeclared<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Even with having an excellent teacher and being self-motivated I felt unprepared.\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Core Plus needs to focus more on teaching <u>basic<\/u> skills before diving into applications.\u00a0 The program was similar to calculus and pre-calc at Michigan in terms of group homework and story problems &#8211; but fundamental concepts need more attention!<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 Yes. Made use of the math lab (free tutoring) while taking calculus to get \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 help with new concepts and prevent being behind.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3 (pre-calc)\u00a0 1 (calculus)\u00a0\u00a0 [Count as 2 for statistical analysis.]<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 43.\u00a0\u00a0 2.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Other\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Unknown<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>The math program was good and bad.\u00a0 It tried to apply math to real life &#8211; but it didn\u2019t make a \u00a0 great attempt.\u00a0 I live on my own in [&#8230;], use math in all my taxes and bank account things and I \u00a0 learned all that outside of the math program.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 45.\u00a0\u00a0 2.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 18-20;\u00a0\u00a0 Michigan-Public;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Social Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>The reason I have not taken any math courses in college is because the math I learned in high \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 school does not apply to college math.\u00a0 I used the TI-82 for linear programming and colleges do math by hand which is very tedious.\u00a0 Colleges all need to change to the new math.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 53. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.75-3.25;\u00a0 SAT M+V 1000-1100 (better in verbal)\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I feel let down by the integrated math program.\u00a0 I felt as if there was a great deal of skills they \u00a0\u00a0 assumed us to already have.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam.\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Lowest math class for no credit.<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college? <strong><em>\u00a0Yes.\u00a0 Algebra, I was not taught a lot of the \u201cbasics.\u201d<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 2<\/p>\n<p>Andover 54. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75;\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26;\u00a0\u00a0 Non-Michigan-Public;\u00a0\u00a0 Communications<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>The math program at Andover sucks, and f____d me in my first year at [the] university and \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 did not prepare me for [the] ACT at all.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in college? <strong>\u00a0Yes. Trig, had no high school background<em>.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 55. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 21-23\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Nursing<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>The concepts I learned were interesting but did not prepare me for standardized tests or, more \u00a0\u00a0 importantly, for college mathematics.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 My score (8, I think) placed me into remedial math (1825)<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?. <strong>Yes. Math 103 (College Algebra). Did not learn adequate algebra concepts in high school.\u00a0 Therefore I was extremely behind.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 2<\/p>\n<p>Andover 57. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75;\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 500-600 V 500-600;\u00a0 ACT 21-23\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>My math experience in high school was terrible.\u00a0 I used to be an excellent math student in middle school, but when I took Core Plus Math my math skills went downhill.\u00a0 It is a terrible pro gram.\u00a0 I wouldn\u2019t recommend it to my worst enemy.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Core Plus Math.\u00a0 1996<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam.\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 [results not given]<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college? <strong><em>\u00a0<\/em>Yes. Math &#8211; I was having trouble keeping up with all the work\u00a0 [in Finite Math].\u00a0 I didn\u2019t understand half of it due to my terrible high school math program.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Andover 60. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 18-20\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Education<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I believe that the Core Plus program was horrible.\u00a0 I was not prepared for college math courses, and I am now struggling in a course I am attending for the next 7 1\/2 weeks at OCC.\u00a0 My scores \u00a0\u00a0 on my ACT were all high except for math, which brought my overall score down.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school.\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Math (Core Plus).\u00a0 All 4 years<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I was placed in 1825, which is a non-credit class, but I needed it to take 103 (which is a basic algebra class).<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college? <strong>\u00a0<\/strong><em>Yes.\u00a0 It was for 1825 [Intermediate Algebra], and I received help from \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 [another] student, who [was] a math major.\u00a0 I needed help because I was lost in the class<strong>.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 63. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00;\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I think Core Plus is the worst math program I\u2019ve ever been forced to take. \u00a0\u00a0 Traditional math \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 courses are what high schools need to teach to prepare kids for college.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I placed into Math 120 but chose to begin in 103[College Algebra].<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>During subsequent phone conversation: <strong>\u00a0<\/strong><em>The algebra class I took in high school was the only thing \u00a0\u00a0 that helped in college math.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 64. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00;\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 700-800; V 700-800;\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 27-29\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Core-Plus math stinks.\u00a0 It did not help me as much as other courses would have and should \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 have.\u00a0 Do your best to end it.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Algebra.\u00a0 1995<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam? Yes.\u00a0 Scored in the 20th percentile.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Andover 68.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 2.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT\u00a0 21-23\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Communications.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Because of the Core Plus Program I am completely unprepared and have no way to understand college math.\u00a0 I have to take Math 115 (High School Math) at OCC during the summer [which is] equivalent to 1825 [Intermediate Algebra] at MSU for no credit toward graduation in order to go forward into math courses at MSU.\u00a0 I have been extremely frustrated and disappointed with the \u201cmath\u201d I took in High School.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0\u00a0 1994-97.<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam? Yes.\u00a0 I do not remember the score, but it was low.\u00a0 I placed into 1825 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 [Intermediate Algebra].<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college? <em>\u00a0No.\u00a0 I was not going to take a math course because I was so unprepared<strong>.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 70.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 21-23\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Michigan-Public;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I did very well in all my years of high school and got A\u2019s and B\u2019s in all my math courses, but when I tried taking 090 [Intermediate Algebra] at [my university], I was totally lost and didn\u2019t know even the most basic concepts.\u00a0 I took a W for the class and have made arrangements with the head of the Math Department to retake the course under his tutoring next fall.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes. Low, below avg. score.\u00a0 Placed into Math 090.<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 <em>Not yet, but I\u2019m pretty sure I\u2019ll have to.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>During subsequent phone conversation.\u00a0 <strong>My high school math helped me in my Statistics course<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 73.\u00a0\u00a0 2.75-3.25; SAT M 500-600 V 600-700; ACT 21-23\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0 Fine &amp; Performing Arts<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I\u2019m not going to take and math courses in college because, although I did well in High School math, I feel I don\u2019t understand basic math concepts well enough to keep up in college<em>.<\/em><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Mathematics courses during 1997-98 school year.<em> None taken.\u00a0 Don\u2019t feel prepared enough.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 74.\u00a0 3.25-3.75; SAT M 400-500 V 600-700; ACT 21-23;\u00a0 UMAA; Communications<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Andover Core-Math Program does not prepare a student entering college the sufficient basic skills that are necessary to function within college level courses.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed in the lowest math possible.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 77.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 2.75-3.25;\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 21-23\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Undeclared (maybe Communications)<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I liked how we did group work a lot of the time, and the material we were to be taught was taught in a very small amount of time.\u00a0 Like, I think we learned algebra for 3 days.\u00a0 It takes practice, but we did it anyway in 3 days.\u00a0 That doesn\u2019t work.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam.\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 It was kind of easy and I passed. I was placed into Mth 103, 116 or 132 .<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Andover 83.\u00a0 3.25-3.75; SAT M 500-600 V 700-800; ACT 27-29;\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0 Social\u00a0 Science\/Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I enjoyed my high school math class because it was neither overly difficult nor frustrating.\u00a0 However, it did not prepare me sufficiently for standardized tests such as the ACT\/SAT and college placement exam.\u00a0 My high school math did somewhat help me in college.\u00a0 My problem in college math [Pre-Calc] was not so much about poor preparation as it was about poor teaching.\u00a0 My GSI was very difficult to understand.\u00a0 He spoke little English and drew incomprehensible diagrams on the blackboard.\u00a0 Also, the grading of exams was somewhat questionable.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I placed in the 6th percentile.\u00a0 Therefore I was placed in 105 (pre-\u00a0 calculus).<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Andover 84 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.25-2.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Other<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I am currently working and feel that I cannot even do basic math calculations.\u00a0 I\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 am missing too many fundamentals<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 91 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.25-2.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Education :<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Andover\u2019s math program was not helpful at all.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0\u00a0 I was placed in Math 1825 [Intermediate Algebra].<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 94. 3.75-4.00; SAT M 500-600 V 700-800; ACT 24-26;\u00a0 Michigan-Public;\u00a0 Pre-Professional<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>The Core math program has given me a weak math background.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0\u00a0 1996-97.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 95.\u00a0 3.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 500-600 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I am concerned with the direction math has taken in Core classes.\u00a0 Math has become second nature [read \u201csecondary\u201d] to learning to write about math.\u00a0 I am embarrassed and not the least bit confident with my math ability.\u00a0 I am upset that I was ever placed in a Core class!<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Math 105 (pre-calculus).<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Andover 100.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 2.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0 ACT\u00a0 24-26\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Communications<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>When it comes to my mathematical ability here in college, I feel second compared to other students.\u00a0 My high school is a nationally recognized institution and while I do feel as if I\u2019ve been well prepared in other areas, I feel that the Core-Plus math courses were a waste of four years.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes. Placed in MTH 1825, an algebra class for no credit (towards graduation \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 requirement[s].)<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college? \u00a0Yes.\u00a0 MTH 1825\u00a0 Visit[ed] Math TA (teaching assistant) during office hours \u00a0 for help on class material..<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0 2<\/p>\n<p>Andover 107. \u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT\u00a0 M 500-600 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0 Social Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>My math courses in high school barely prepared me for college.\u00a0 I was very behind when it came to competitiveness and dealing with the difficulty of taking a college-level Math course.\u00a0 [Respondent took Math 105, Pre-Calc.]\u00a0 I was taught difficult math ideas in high school but was never taught the fundamentals!<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed in the 5th percentile.<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Repeatedly went to office hours for special attention from my teacher, \u00a0 a GSI.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 2<\/p>\n<p>Andover 112 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00;\u00a0 SAT\u00a0 M 500-600 V 600-700;\u00a0 ACT 24-26;\u00a0 Non-Michigan-Public; Fine &amp; \u00a0 Performing Arts<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>My math experience in high school was not advantageous.\u00a0 Although I received good marks in the courses, they did not help prepare me for the SAT or ACT .\u00a0 I can also positively affirm that I remember almost nothing from those courses (Core-Plus).\u00a0 I am very fortunate that I do not have to take any seriously math based courses in college.\u00a0 My major does not require me to do so. The Core-Plus math program did not help me remember the elements and forms of algebra, calculus, geometry and trigonometry for the long term.\u00a0 Also, there was no permanent index to the formulas and equations used.\u00a0 If I needed to look back on something, I could only depend on my <u>own n<\/u>otes.\u00a0 I guess no one took it into consideration the fact that students might miss a few things in their note taking.\u00a0<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I learned the math and I studied it.\u00a0 The key, however, is that I learned it the way the Core-system presented it to me.\u00a0 Years of solving long word and statistical problems does not seem to help on the SAT\u2019s.\u00a0 In the SAT booklet you will find a few letters (A, b or c), a few numbers, and possibly a chart.\u00a0 There are no words and no real-life situations presented.\u00a0 I\u2019ve never been superb at math, but Core-Plus didn\u2019t make me learn and <u>retain<\/u> it any better.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Thankfully my parents read to me as a child.\u00a0 I can read, write and spell very, very well.\u00a0 A skill I desperately needed for those standardized tests.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 126 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>At Andover High School I was required to take Core-Plus when I was a freshman.\u00a0 The class has not prepared me for anything in college.\u00a0 I am currently finishing a math class \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 at MSU that I will not receive credit for [1825].\u00a0 In this class we only use our calculators to solve simple computations.\u00a0 It is not acceptable to give answers produced by advanced calculator programs as we were taught in high school.\u00a0 By participating in the Core-Plus program I was essentially handicapped when I went to college.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know where this survey will take you, but it seems to me that a positive effort is being made [by this survey] to evaluate the current situations.\u00a0 <u>Please<\/u> keep me informed of your progress.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0\u00a0 Only to prepare for a test that contained subjects that I did not understand.\u00a0 I went, probably once a month.<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed into Math 103 [College Algebra]<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Tutoring for everything.\u00a0 I have much difficulty understand[ing] math.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 128 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M+V 900-1000\u00a0\u00a0 SAT\u00a0 18-20\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I received A\u2019s B\u2019s and a C in math [in high school], but I still didn\u2019t know anything in the lowest Math class at State.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes. I placed [by?] one point into regular Algebra, but they advised me to go \u00a0\u00a0 into Intermediate Algebra.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0 2<\/p>\n<p>Content of an e-mail message sent in response to an e-mail query of mine.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I never received the questionnaire and would like to take it.\u00a0 I will also tell you this, Not one person who took the Math Core program is even close to prepared for college level math, not even the Intermediate Algebra at MSU (unless they received help from a tutor, or took extra math classes at OCC) \u00a0 I feel the Math Core Program at Andover is the (excuse my language) dumbest thing the Bloomfield Hills School District has ever done.\u00a0 Most students who graduated from Andover do not even know simple Algebra.\u00a0 I find it idiotic that a school like Andover who has a 99% graduation record and about a 95% future college bound body changes their math program to one for students planning not to go to college.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Last year, a math teacher at Andover told his Calc. class that this was the last year Andover had any chance of doing good in the Quiz Bowl because of the new math program.\u00a0 He then turns around and tells our class that the Math Core program is great and will prepare everyone for college.\u00a0 Excuse my language but that was a bunch of\u00a0 bull %$&amp;#.\u00a0 As you can see, I am a little bit sour about this whole thing.\u00a0 As you will see if you haven&#8217;t found out yet, is that Andover screwed everyone who was forced to take the Math Core program, and is costing parents extra money on math tutors, classes that shouldn&#8217;t be needed (like MTH 1825 at State)&#8230;etc.\u00a0 It also wastes students\u2019 time.\u00a0 I must go, but if you need anything else just ask.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 132 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 21-23\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>The Core Plus program was a poor excuse of a math program.\u00a0 Because of it, I am <u>well <\/u>behind all other students in Math at MSU, and have struggled to the point where I have now failed a math class.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I was placed in algebra.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Content of an e-mail message sent in response to an e-mail query of mine.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I seem to have misplaced the questionnaire that you sent.\u00a0 You can send me another if you like, but I will tell you right now that I am going to tear the math class to pieces.\u00a0 I am going to give it all the lowest marks \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 because it was the most ridiculous class, that made the majority worse math students than at other schools, and has been the primary factor behind the failure of many students in math thus far in college<em>.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em>\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Andover 133 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 300-400\u00a0 ACT 18-20\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Education<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Math has been my strong subject.\u00a0 I could simply understand whatever I learned in math classes.\u00a0 So I never spen[t] [a] long time studying for math, even before exams.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 The score was 18.\u00a0 Placed into MTH 201, math investigation[s].<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Andover 145 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.25-2.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 21-23\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Michigan-Public\u00a0\u00a0 Pre-Professional<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I think the Core Plus program <u>does not <\/u>help especially when you get to college<em>.<\/em><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in college? Yes. Failing class, was not able to keep up with other students.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 146 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.75-3.25;\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 21-23\u00a0\u00a0 Michigan-Public\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Undecided<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Andover math left me totally unprepared for college math.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 <em>Yes.\u00a0 Trouble with Intermediate Algebra.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 148 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0 SAT\u00a0 M 700-800 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0 Undecided<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I didn\u2019t really like the new [math] program we had in our high school.\u00a0 It didn\u2019t prepare me well for college calculus.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1.5<\/p>\n<p>Andover 150 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75;\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 400-500 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 21-23\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I was not properly prepared for College Math from the Core Plus program.\u00a0 I never completely \u00a0 grasped the concept of Algebra in college because of a lack of experience in high school.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0\u00a0 Yes. Placed into Algebra I.<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 <em>Yes.\u00a0 Algebra I &#8211; did not understand material..<\/em><\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 2<\/p>\n<p>Andover 152 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0 Liberal Arts\/Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I feel that the preparation I received in High School with Core Plus was hardly adequate enough for College Algebra.\u00a0 I struggled with many basic mathematical principles that I should have mastered in High School.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in college? <strong>\u00a0<\/strong><em>Yes.\u00a0 Algebra, because my High School Program was so weak and I was having a hard time with Algebra.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 154 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 400-500\u00a0 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 21-23\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>The Core Plus system was horrible to my learning.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know one person who was happy \u00a0\u00a0 with it besides the teachers.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I placed in College Algebra.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0 2<\/p>\n<p>Andover 159 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M+V 900-1000\u00a0\u00a0 ACT\u00a0 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Pre-Professional:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I sometimes regret that I hadn\u2019t taken math very seriously over the past years.\u00a0 I hear from my graduat[ing] class that Core Plus did not help in their college math courses.\u00a0 I am planning to go \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 into the [&#8230;] field so I am going to take math more seriously.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Summer School.\u00a0 Algebra.\u00a0 1996.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 162 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.25-2.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 21-23\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Michigan-Public\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Social Science<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college? <em>\u00a0Yes.\u00a0 Math, because I was <u>not<\/u> adequately prepared.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 163.\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75;\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 600-700;\u00a0 ACT 27-29;\u00a0 Michigan-Public;\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Core Plus taught me math well; however, it did not teach me how to show my work.\u00a0 Because of \u00a0 that I failed college math.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam? No.\u00a0 ACT placement.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Andover 164 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 30-34\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science\/Pre-Professional:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Core Plus was useless.\u00a0 It helped me very little for college level calculus.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Just 2 sessions prior to ACT.<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes. Received a 36 out of 40.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0 2<\/p>\n<p>Andover 168 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.25-2.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Other<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I don\u2019t think the Math was any good.\u00a0 It\u2019s like going to a restaurant and sampling every item from the buffet table and not having any main course.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Junior year.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 178 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT\u00a0\u00a0 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Social Science:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>My high school math program stunk.\u00a0 Andover should be ashamed for hindering the futures of their students.!!<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 This semester because I am not comfortable with my math ability.<\/p>\n<p>15a) We\u2019ll see!!<\/p>\n<p>Andover 187 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 18-20\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Pre-Professional<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>The Core Plus math program is the worst thing I could have taken.\u00a0 I learned nothing I needed to know for college !!!<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 I placed into the lowest, Math 1825 [Intermediate Algebra].\u00a0 I scored a zero.<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Intermediate Algebra by my math teacher there.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 189 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-375\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Education<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>The high school math program was good.\u00a0 The problems arose because colleges haven\u2019t restructured their math programs accordingly.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 1996-97<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Scored below primary math course.\u00a0 Had to take 1825 which is no credit \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 towards graduating.<\/p>\n<p>15a) 3<\/p>\n<p>Andover 190 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 27-29\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Private\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>High school math was easier to apply to situations outside of the class.\u00a0 College math [Respondent took College Algebra] has been completely abstract.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Andover 191 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M+V 1100-1200\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I have never been so disappointed in a type of schooling such as this course.\u00a0 I am the epitome of mathematical ignorance in a top ten [high] school with a 4.0 in math.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes. 1996-97. Also audited Algebra classes at OCC, 1996-97.<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Pre-Calc.<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college? <em>\u00a0Yes.\u00a0 My Pre-Calc. Class has far surpassed my capabilities and under- standing in Math.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 204\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT\u00a0 21-23\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Nursing<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>The math program in high school did not sufficiently prepare me to continue in college level mathematics!<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Pre-Calc &#8211; failed &#8211; 4%<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Andover 205 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 18-20\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Education<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I took Core Plus all through high school and it did not prepare me at all for college math.\u00a0 I should have learned basic algebra in the 9th grade and because of this program, I\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 learned it this past year.\u00a0 I know that many others also struggled in college math and ended up in low math classes because of Core Plus<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0\u00a0 1995-96.<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I was placed in Math 1825 or Intermediate Algebra.<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college? <strong>\u00a0Yes.\u00a0\u00a0 I received tutoring in College Algebra, because I had never learned \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 the material in high school.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1.5<\/p>\n<p>. Andover 206 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 500-600 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Social Science:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I\u2019m horrible at math and do not intend on taking any math courses in college.\u00a0 However, I think it has much more to do with my interests and little to do with my high school math background.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I fell into the 0 &#8211; 1 percentile (the last percentile).<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 N\/A<\/p>\n<p>Andover 207.\u00a0\u00a0 3.75-4.00;\u00a0 SAT M 500-600 V 500-600;\u00a0 ACT\u00a0 27-29;\u00a0 UMAA;\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed into Precalculus.\u00a0 Scored 1- %tile.<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 <strong>\u00a0Yes.\u00a0 Algebra, through the free tutoring through the University.\u00a0 I didn\u2019t \u00a0 know algebra.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>15a) 1.5<\/p>\n<p>Andover 209 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT\u00a0 M 400-500 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Pre-Professional<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>My experience of math in high school was a waste of my time!\u00a0 The only reason I did good [in College Algebra] at MSU was because I took math courses at OCC for audit.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 1994-97.<\/p>\n<p>Summer School\u00a0\u00a0 Algebra, 1996 and math at OCC, 1996, to get me ready for College Algebra at MSU.<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Do not remember the score, though I ended up guessing on a lot of the \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 questions.<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Math. (College Algebra), to improve my understanding of the course.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 2\u00a0 (only helped me by teaching me how to use the TI-82 Calculator)<\/p>\n<p>Andover 213 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 18-20\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Undecided<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I did not enjoy Math at Andover High School.\u00a0 I feel it did not prepare me for College Math<em>.<\/em><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0\u00a0 3%\/100%<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0 N\/A<\/p>\n<p>Andover 220 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0225-2.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 18-20\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Michigan-Public\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Education<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I did not have much success in the Core Plus Math Program in High School. Since it wasn\u2019t regular algebra or calculus, it was difficult.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Beginner course. I will take [exam] over again (didn\u2019t take the class).<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 224 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT\u00a0 M 600-700 V 600-700\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0 Liberal Arts<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Core Plus may be a good idea for non-college bound students &#8211; but almost 100% of Andover\u2019s [graduating] classes go to college.\u00a0 I feel like I was screwed over.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Summer School.\u00a0 Algebra 1, summer before freshman year.<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Received &lt; the 10th %tile; placed in 105 (pre-calc).<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 <strong>Yes.\u00a0 Math &#8211; I had no idea what was going on.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 228 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT\u00a0 21-23\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Michigan-Public\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Fine &amp; Performing Arts<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>My class (1997) was the first class to use Core-Plus, so the kinks were still being worked out.\u00a0 However, I do not feel I can hold a conversation about math problems, using math vocabulary, due to the lack thereof using Core-Plus.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed in entering freshman math (basic).<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Andover 229\u00a0 3.25-3.75; SAT M 500-600 V 700-800; ACT 27-29; Michigan-Public; Communications<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>My Math teachers seemed to make math a chore, rather than a subject to be learned and studied.\u00a0 I always ask \u201cwhy\u201d and \u201chow\u201d, and in math, those questions were never answered.\u00a0 It was always \u201cJust do it!\u201d\u00a0 That is a large part of why I do not take an interest in math.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Summer School?\u00a0 Yes<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<a name=\"wptoc_1_1_1\"><\/a><a name=\"wptoc_2_1_1\"><\/a><h2>\u00a0Remaining Andover Group I Students {non-accelerated (Core Plus)}<\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 5\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Social Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Calculus at Michigan is not hard, but the TA\u2019s that teach it make it hard.\u00a0 Exams are extremely difficult.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed in Calc. 115.<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college? <em>Yes.\u00a0 Instructor was a Teaching Assistant [and] was incapable of\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 teaching \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 material well.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Andover 102.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75;\u00a0 ACT 21-23\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Pre-Professional<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 1993-95<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Not yet (I want to start from the lowest.)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 109 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75;\u00a0\u00a0 SAT\u00a0 M 500-600 V 700-800\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Liberal Arts<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 182 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Social Science<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<a name=\"wptoc_1_1_2\"><\/a><a name=\"wptoc_2_1_2\"><\/a><h2>Andover Group II Students {accelerated} who made comments about Core Plus<a href=\"#_ftn27\" name=\"_ftnref27\">[26]<\/a><\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 37\u00a0\u00a0 2.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT\u00a0 27-29\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Liberal Arts<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>The new math program has made math difficult for many college students.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Andover 41.\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75; SAT\u00a0 M 600-700 V 500-600;\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 30-34;\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0 Pre-Professional<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I was [one of few] to ever take both Core Plus and \u201cregular\u201d math at Andover High School.\u00a0 Thus making me a \u201cguinea pig\u201d in this heated debate.\u00a0 I have a lot of good views on this so feel free to contact me.\u00a0 PS\u00a0 I saw the article in the News and I believe I can add to what was said.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Geometry 1993-94.\u00a0 Pre-Calc 1995-96<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed into Calc. I.\u00a0 I think I was the only Andover student who took a \u00a0\u00a0 Core-Plus class to place into Calc I (Math 115).<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 5\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 N\/A<\/p>\n<p>Content of subsequent e-mail message. <em>\u00a0 My views about Core Plus are not necessarily negative but \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I \u00a0\u00a0 think more constructive if anything.\u00a0 There are some things about the program that are better than &#8220;traditional&#8221; and some that aren&#8217;t and vice versa.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 First, and I have thought this since the beginning, I don&#8217;t think that the high schools are in the \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 authoritative position to initiate a major change in the way that math is taught.\u00a0 The biggest \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 argument when Core Plus (CP) first came aboard was that it wouldn&#8217;t complement what colleges \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 were teaching.\u00a0 That proved right, and the educators who were firmly behind CP neglected to hear \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 out and respect the students\u2019 and their parents&#8217; worries.\u00a0 An alternative route would have been to work in conjunction with universities and maybe have the universities change first and then the high \u00a0\u00a0 schools would follow.\u00a0 I remember that I was told in the beginning that CP is the new wave of \u00a0\u00a0 mathematics and that it is the way everything will be in the future&#8230;including colleges.\u00a0 Well, guess \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 what, I&#8217;m in college and there isn&#8217;t a CP program here, although some people\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 claim that \u201cHarvard \u00a0\u00a0 Calculus\u201d (Math 115-116 here) is a good fit with CP.\u00a0 I will have to check this out further, but that \u00a0 still leaves the schools that don\u2019t feature reform calculus, and there are\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 many of those, including \u00a0\u00a0 many top schools.\u00a0\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0I found that CP was interesting, much more interesting than &#8220;Hey, let&#8217;s do 1-99 odd and look in the back of the book for the answers&#8221;.\u00a0 It explained the \u201cHow\u201ds, \u201cWhat\u201ds, and \u201cWhy\u201ds of the \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 math problems.\u00a0 Though what it forgot to do is emphasize the mechanics of the problems.\u00a0 The important steps were never really emphasized.\u00a0 It seemed almost like they were steering away \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 from directly solving the problem.\u00a0 Why beat around the bush?\u00a0 I found myself a lot of times using \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 my past knowledge from traditional classes to solve CP problems.\u00a0 Maybe that&#8217;s where I go wrong \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 but hey, a math program isn&#8217;t supposed to make the student make adjustments to it, it should be \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 flexible enough for anyone to respond to it.\u00a0 Working in groups was often a bonus.\u00a0 Though a lot more teamwork and feedback is produced during group work, it is also easy to have some members \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 trail off into no man&#8217;s land, and thus hindering the group&#8217;s performance, and their own.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong><em>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/em><\/strong><em>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 From the start of my CP class, I found the material quite insufficient. No practice problems, \u00a0\u00a0 examples, and insufficient explanations were all what I found as a problem with the thin color coded packets.\u00a0 Sometimes you would have to rely on the explanation of your group but then would \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 have to question if the explanation was correct or not.\u00a0 Thus, slowing down the learning process<strong>.\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong><em>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/em>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In conclusion, I want to be clear that I am not trying to insult the program.\u00a0 I do think that \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 it could be a useful method in Mathematics if presented correctly.\u00a0 I have a lot of respect for \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 my high school and for what they strive to do.\u00a0 I believe that Andover is amongst the elite sec-ondary schools in the nation, and for that I am proud of it.\u00a0 The faculty of Andover has always \u00a0\u00a0 striven for the best, though it seems as if they are selling themselves short with CP.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 50 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.75-3.25\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Pre-Professional<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>The traditional math courses in high school helped me tremendously in my college calculus course.\u00a0 I cannot understand how someone without these basic skills can take a college level calculus course.\u00a0 In high school I had many friends in the Core-Plus program and by senior year they could not even factor or do other basic mathematics which I learned in 8th grade!\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And there were above 3.5 GPA students.\u00a0 Personally, from experience and observation of my peers, I don\u2019t think there is a way to get around learning basic math skills.\u00a0 For example, when teaching a child to tell time one does not need to impart the interworkings of a clock.\u00a0 The explanations of the \u201cWhy\u201ds come much later. after the fundamentals are in place.\u00a0<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It seems to me that this whole Core-Plus movement is geared toward the \u201claziest\u201d common denominator.\u00a0 It discriminates against those who want to excel in math and take the time to learn\/memorize the basics.\u00a0 Where is the common sense in all of this?\u00a0 It is non-existent.\u00a0 Where else would you teach advanced concepts without the fundamentals?\u00a0 In life you have to start out with a base and then move on to greater and more complicated things.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you teach a child thermodynamics when teaching them not to touch a hot stove?\u00a0 No.\u00a0 You just teach them that the stove is hot, don\u2019t touch.\u00a0 2+2 is 4 and 8&#215;7 is 56.\u00a0 There\u2019s no way to talk around \u00a0 it.\u00a0 One just needs to memorize it.\u00a0 If one doesn\u2019t have this base, how can one move on to greater\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 things like calculus.\u00a0 In college-level courses one can explain <u>why<\/u> certain answers are arrived at, but at lower-level courses, explaining why 4+5 equals 9 is completely <u>unnecessary<\/u>!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Some people don\u2019t seem to realize how this new approach has sealed the fate on many students. They are so far behind that I doubt they will ever be able to make up for what has been lost.\u00a0 I found the U of M placement test to be <u>very<\/u> basic.\u00a0 Any student with the fundamentals of algebra and geometry should be able to either pass the test or at least get most of the problems correct.\u00a0 However with many of my \u201cCore-Plus friends,\u201d this was not the case.\u00a0 Some, even 3.9 students, received a near 10% score, if that, on their placement test.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It seems quite obvious that many of the Bloomfield Hills Core-Plus students are ill-prepared for higher level learning.\u00a0 Shame on the Bloomfield Hills School District.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I was placed in Calculus 115.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 5\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Andover 59\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 700-800 V 700-800\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Liberal Arts<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I think the Core-Plus program stinks! It babysteps around the true concepts of math and instead kids learn a \u2018watered-down\u201d version which they can\u2019t really use.\u00a0 I feel very fortunate that I did not have to take Core-Plus classes.\u00a0 If you would like to reach me for additional comments you may do so through e-mail [&#8230;].\u00a0 Thanks.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong><em>\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Andover 62.\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 600-700;\u00a0 Non-Michigan-Public;\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>99% of my circle of friends were part of the new math program implemented by Andover.\u00a0 My knowledge is that they are having an <u>extremely<\/u> difficult time with college math courses and their SAT math scores were very low.\u00a0 I feel that Andover should return to the standard math curriculum and teaching of it.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes. Calculus.\u00a0 1996-97.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 5\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 113 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 700-800 V 700-800;\u00a0 ACT 30-34\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Engineering<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I found that taking High School Calculus helped a great deal when I took Calculus II.\u00a0 I also found that I performed much better on standardized math exams than my peers who took Core Plus.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Score = 80%.\u00a0 Placed into Calculus II.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Andover 116 \u00a0\u00a0 2.75-3.25;\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 700-800;\u00a0 ACT 30-34\u00a0\u00a0 Other\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Fine &amp; Performing Arts:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I enjoy math and enjoyed the classes I took, but because I am going to an Art School, I am not required to take Math courses.\u00a0 In eighth grade, because ours was the first class to start the Math Core program in high school, we were given a choice.\u00a0 If we got into the advanced class, Algebra 1, we would continue on in the original, classic Math program.\u00a0 I had no interest in entering into a new experimental program, and so [I] worked extra hard to get into the Advanced Algebra 1 class.\u00a0 Luckily, I made it.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 151 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.25;\u00a0 SAT M 700-800 V 600-700\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 30-34\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0 Engineering<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I attended Andover during the transition from the traditional math program (which I took) to Core-Plus.\u00a0 As a student at the UM College of Engineering, I firmly believe that Core-Plus does <u>not<\/u> adequately prepare students planning to enter any field that requires math (math, science, engineering, etc.).\u00a0 Students [in Core Plus] depend too heavily on calculators, due to the fact that they have no knowledge of the fundamental aspects of algebra.\u00a0 True, \u201cCore-Plus\u201d may tie math in with \u201creal-world\u201d situations, but problems in fields that require math are seldom \u201creal-world\u201d situations.\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed into Calculus. [Took higher level course due to AP test score.]<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 5\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Andover 165\u00a0 3.75-4.00; SAT M 600-700 V 700-800; ACT 30-34; UMAA; Science\/ Pre-Med<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I feel like I was one of the lucky ones who escaped the horror of Core Plus.\u00a0 I\u2019m not a math person and luckily I was able to do well enough in high school to avoid as much [math] as possible in college; but if I was a math-oriented student and I had had a Core-Plus background, I\u2019d be in BIG TROUBLE.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0\u00a0 Scored in 80th percentile.\u00a0 Placed into Calc 115.\u00a0 (AP credit placed me out of \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Calc 115\/116, though)<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 5\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0\u00a0 5\u00a0 (I haven\u2019t taken a math class yet, but I assume it would have helped.)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 185 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00;\u00a0 SAT\u00a0 M 700-800 V 700-800\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT\u00a0 30-34\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Undecided<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I really believe that having specialized math classes (i.e. geometry, calculus, algebra, etc.), rather than Core Plus classes, truly helped me in preparation for standardized tests.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15b) N\/A<\/p>\n<p>Andover 222\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a03.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>My experiences have led me to believe that my high school math program prepared me for college and SAT\/ACT much better than [the] Core Plus Program.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0\u00a0 Placed in Math 115\/116\u00a0 [Calc I\/II]<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0 5\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<a name=\"wptoc_1_1_3\"><\/a><a name=\"wptoc_2_1_3\"><\/a><h2>Remaining Andover Group II Students<\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 1 \u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00; SAT M 600-700 V 700-800\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 30-34\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 [Passed]<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 2\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT\u00a0 M 700-800 V 700-800\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 30-34\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Engineering<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Very good program [at Andover].\u00a0 Calc. teacher taught at and involved with U of M, so he taught appropriate subjects and style for intended U of M students.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam? Yes.\u00a0 Calc 116.<\/p>\n<p>15a) 5\u00a0 b) 5<\/p>\n<p>Andover 15 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT\u00a0 M 600-700 V 600-700\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Liberal Arts<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>For the above two questions (#15) I was considering physics a \u201cmath course\u201d since I have not taken any others in college.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed into Math 115, which is Calc. I.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4\u00a0 b) 4<\/p>\n<p>Andover 26 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 700-800\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Pre-Professional<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed into Calc I (115).<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4\u00a0 b) 2<\/p>\n<p>Andover 28 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 600-700\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT\u00a0 27-29\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I [was] definitely not impressed with the quality of grad. student instructors (GSI\u2019s) at the U of M.\u00a0 There was a communication barrier and I believe that the courses [Calc I&amp;II] lacked a lot.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Calculus BC.\u00a0\u00a0 1997<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I placed into Calculus 116.\u00a0 I opted to take Calc. 115 instead so I would \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 be more prepared.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Andover 29 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT\u00a0 M 600-700 V 600-700\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Engineering<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>My 2nd Semester Calculus course [Calc II] was identical; to my AP Calculus course [AB Calc.] in high school.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 [No score given.\u00a0 Took Calc. II and Calc III]<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3\u00a0\u00a0 b) 5<\/p>\n<p>Andover 35 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 27-29\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Social Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Because of taking calculus (traditional) in high school and because of my teacher (Dr. Shelly), I was able to slide through Calc 115 &#8211; I barely studied while others failed &#8211; you were expected to teach yourself<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed into Calc. 115.\u00a0 Don\u2019t know scores.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 5\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b) 5<\/p>\n<p>Andover 44 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 30-34\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Dr. Michael Shelly was an excellent Calculus teacher (Andover High School).\u00a0 U of M need[s] more GSI\u2019s that speak English.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Score &#8211; ?;\u00a0 Math 115.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Andover 46\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75;\u00a0 SAT\u00a0 M 600-700 V 600-700\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 27-29;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Engineering<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>The division of subdivisions within math helped my focus.\u00a0 Furthermore, it helped me identify each subdivision in more complex math courses.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Top 5%.<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Math 116, problems with integrals.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 5\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Andover 48 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 27-29\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school? Yes.\u00a0\u00a0 Algebra.\u00a0 1995<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed into Calc. 115, but because of AP\u2019s, I went into 116.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0 5\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Andover 58 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 600-700\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I was able to get by in High School courses with severely limited knowledge and still pull a \u201cB\u201d.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Pre-Calc.\u00a0 Junior year.<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed in low level course. [Took Stat. 100].<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 2\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 61 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 30-34\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0Pre-Professional<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I placed into Math 115 or Calc. I.\u00a0 [Took Calc. II.}<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Andover 85 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00;\u00a0 SAT M 700-800 V 600-700; ACT 30-34;\u00a0 Private;\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Calc.I\/II Placement Test: Calc. II<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Andover 88 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 700-800 V 700-800\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Other<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 96 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 600-700\u00a0\u00a0 ACT\u00a0 27-29\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>The U of M Math department is terrible.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed into Calc. 115.\u00a0 The highest possible placement without AP credit.<\/p>\n<p>15a) 3\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b) 3<\/p>\n<p>.Andover 103 \u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00;\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 700-800\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 30-34\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0 Liberal Arts<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Calculus BC was the most exciting and interesting course in high school.\u00a0 Although I think I would do well, I don\u2019t plan on taking any math courses in college.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I placed out of Calc. I and II.<\/p>\n<p>15a) N\/A\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b) N\/A<\/p>\n<p>Andover 104. \u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 30-34\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Private\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>My high school math teachers were wonderful.\u00a0 I learned more from them than I did from my college professor.\u00a0 Dr. Shelly was able to successfully explain concepts of calculus and make it interesting at the same time.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15a) 5\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b) 5<\/p>\n<p>Andover 117 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00; SAT M 700-800 V 600-700;\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 30-34\u00a0\u00a0 Private\u00a0\u00a0 Social Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I placed out of the calculus courses that a majority of my college peers took freshman year.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 AP tests served as placement.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 N\/A\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 N\/A<\/p>\n<p>Andover 119 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Private-regional\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Engineering<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Scores were not revealed but I was suggested to take Pre-Calc.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Andover 127 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 700-800 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 27-29\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Calculus placement.<\/p>\n<p>15a) 4\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b) 5<\/p>\n<p>Andover 138 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 600-700\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 27-29\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>My math experience in high school was satisfactory; I was very fortunate to have had good teachers.\u00a0 As for college, I enjoyed Math 115 [Calc. I] because the teacher was very thorough, but I disliked Math 116 [Calc. II] because the teacher was very disorganized and didn\u2019t seem to enjoy teaching.\u00a0 Teachers (rather than the curriculum) play such a crucial role in my math education.\u00a0 I would like to add, though, that I had no complaints about the traditional math program.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Score 88%.\u00a0 Placed into Calc. I.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Andover 140 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M+V 1100-1200\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 27-29\u00a0\u00a0 Other\u00a0 \u00a0 Fine &amp; Performing Arts<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>We had 3 levels of Math achievement.\u00a0 I was placed in the accelerated class and could never keep up!<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Summer School?\u00a0 Algebra.<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 I will attend U of M in the Fall and will <u>need<\/u> a math tutor.<\/p>\n<p>15a) 3.5\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 3.5<\/p>\n<p>Andover 156 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT\u00a0 M 600-700 V 700-800\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Social Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>[A complimentary remark, by comparison with other teachers, about Miss Cathy King.]<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I was placed in 115.\u00a0 .<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Calc. \u00a0To prove that I was at least making an effort at trying to perform better on the exams.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 2.5\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Andover 158 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 700-800 V 600-700\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 30-34\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I had 3 excellent years of traditional high school math and one fair year of [&#8230;].\u00a0 I was very well equipped to handle college math, which was perhaps easier than that taken during high school.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes. [Doesn\u2019t give score. Placed in Multivariable Calculus because of AP \u00a0\u00a0 score.]<\/p>\n<p>15a) 5 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0b) 5<\/p>\n<p>Andover 161 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 700-800 V 700-800\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT\u00a0 30-34\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Private\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>College math classes (including calculus) and high school math, I believe, are entire[ly] different endeavors.\u00a0 Although high school math should be the basis and is necessary for further education in higher math, it does not necessarily help in college math (taking into account only the curriculum).<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15a) 1\u00a0 b) 4<\/p>\n<p>Andover 166\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75;\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 500-600;\u00a0 ACT 24-26;\u00a0 Private;\u00a0 Social Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Math has always been one of my favorite subjects and I\u2019ve enjoyed it throughout high school and college.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 5\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Andover 176 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>I was lucky enough in high school to have pretty good math courses with good teachers.\u00a0 These math classes prepared me for college math classes because I had a stable math background coming into college.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed into Math 115.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Andover 179\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 70-800 V 700-800\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Private\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 unsure<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b) 5<\/p>\n<p>Andover 181 \u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 700-800 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 27-29\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Private-regional<\/p>\n<p>Social Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I found the math courses prior to Calculus AB fairly easy.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Andover 183 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 700-800 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I was forced to memorize math concepts in High School and it wasn\u2019t valuable to my learning.\u00a0 College math [Calc. I] has taught me to learn and apply ideas.\u00a0 More beneficial.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Geometry.\u00a0 1994.<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I placed into Calc. 115<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Andover 198\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75; SAT M 600-700 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 27-29\u00a0\u00a0 Non-Michigan-Public\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 219 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00; SAT M 700-800 V 500-600; ACT 27-29;\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA;\u00a0\u00a0 Pre-Professional or \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Education<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 94th %tile<\/p>\n<p>15b) N\/A<\/p>\n<p>Andover 221 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 600-700\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 27-29\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0 Liberal Arts<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Andover 232 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75; SAT M 700-800 V 700-800; ACT 30-34;\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Social Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Calculus class [was] very good at Andover.\u00a0 Michigan math program is embarrassing.\u00a0 It is the worst thing I have ever been a part of.\u00a0 The math base [in Calc II] was ignored and short cuts were taught.\u00a0 The program is horrendous.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam? Yes.\u00a0 Basic Algebra.\u00a0 90th percentile?<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Calc. 116.\u00a0 From GSI to get better grade.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4\u00a0 b) 5<\/p>\n<a name=\"wptoc_1_1_4\"><\/a><a name=\"wptoc_2_1_4\"><\/a><h2>Lahser Group I Students {non-accelerated}<\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 10\u00a0 325-3.75;\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 600-700;\u00a0 ACT 27-29;\u00a0 Private-regional; Science\/Engineering.<\/p>\n<p>Math Placement Exam?\u00a0 Placed in Calc. I<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 11 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 21-23\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Liberal Arts<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I dislike math.\u00a0 I feel as if I will never use any of it in life later on.\u00a0 When will I ever use Descartes\u2019 Rule?<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in college? Yes.\u00a0 Math 1825 and 103, very bad in math.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>.Lahser 34 \u00a0 \u00a02.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 21-23\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Other\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Nursing.<\/p>\n<p>Math Placement Exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Normal level for my grade.<\/p>\n<p>15a) 4<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 38. 3.25-3.75; SAT M 500-600 V 600-700; ACT 24-26; Non-Michigan-Public; Communications<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I lacked basic knowledge of Calculus or Trig. [Respondent took neither in H.S.]<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 46. \u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75;\u00a0 SAT M 600-700\u00a0 V 600-700;\u00a0 ACT 24-26\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0 Social Science\/Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>The Math. Dept. at U of M doesn\u2019t know how to teach.\u00a0 It is all applied non-memorized tests. [Respondent took Calc 1.]\u00a0 The stuff in high school is so easy and basic &#8211; you do problems that \u00a0 are all the same.\u00a0 In college it is taking a deeper understanding of that simple problem and using \u00a0\u00a0 it in combination with others for something complex.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math Placement Exam?\u00a0 Yes. I was placed in pre-calc. (105).<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Math Lab &#8211; for homework question help.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 2<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 54\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75;\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 500-600 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Pre-Professional<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I thought my high school prepared me well for all of my non-math classes at U. of\u00a0 M.; however, the math classes at U of M are supposed to be very hard, and I have heard people did not feel prepared for the math classes at U. of M.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math Placement Exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed into Math 105, which is equivalent to pre-calc.<\/p>\n<p>15a) 3<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 64\u00a0\u00a0 2.25-2.75;\u00a0 SAT M 500-600 V 400-500; ACT 21-23;\u00a0\u00a0 Michigan-Public;\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I feel that I had a good math experience in high school, but I think the math placement test \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 given by [my University] was poor and did not place me correctly into the math class I should \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 have been in. <\/strong>[Respondent evidently felt placement was too high, judging by grade received.]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math Placement Exam?\u00a0 Yes. I was placed into finite math.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 15a)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 68.\u00a0 2.75-3.25; SAT M 600-700 V 600-700;\u00a0 ACT 21-23;\u00a0 Michigan-Public;\u00a0 Undecided<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Alg. II\u00a0 1995-96.<\/p>\n<p>Math Placement Exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 College Algebra.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 96 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700\u00a0 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0 Social Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>High school math course needs to teach students how to solve and get right answer.\u00a0 Not just getting the answer. [Respondent took Calc I].<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math Placement Exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed in Math 115 [Calc. I].\u00a0 Passed exam with 95%.<\/p>\n<p>15a) 4<\/p>\n<p>Lahser\u00a0 117 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 21-23\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Michigan-Public\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Nursing<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Although I placed into only Intermediate Algebra in College,\u00a0 I found the class to be very easy and not challenging at all.\u00a0 I am sure I would have done fine in regular College Algebra, but instead I have to take it this year.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed into Intermediate Algebra.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 136\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Michigan-Public\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Education<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I hate, hate, hate math!\u00a0 I think that some Math courses are pointless and will never be used.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Algebra.\u00a0 1993-94.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 N\/A<\/p>\n<p>Lahser\u00a0 141\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.4\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 21-23\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Design<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>It was really hard for me to understand some things in Math, but when you get a great teacher that will take the time to help me, I can finally understand.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Algebra 2.\u00a0 Sophomore year.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 148 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 27-29\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<p>15a) 3<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 154\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 500-600 V 600-700\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0 Fine &amp; Performing Arts<\/p>\n<p>Math Placement Exam? Yes. I was placed into Math 103 [College Algebra], the lowest credit math \u00a0 course.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 170\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT\u00a0 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Education<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I just had a hard time in Pre-Calc. but had a very easy time in Algebra II.\u00a0 I think it was the teaching style.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math Placement Exam?\u00a0 Placed into 105 or 115.<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I went in for math help from my teacher during Math Lab and office \u00a0 hours.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 175 \u00a03.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-600\u00a0 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Private\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 <em>\u00a0Yes.\u00a0 Calc 140 &#8211; At [my college] there are 3 levels of calculus.\u00a0 I had the requirements for the middle level; however, due to the extreme demands of the upper level (whose \u00a0 requirements were one year of calculus) the majority of those students dropped down a level into \u00a0\u00a0 my section.\u00a0 My professor then stopped teaching to the level of the students (like myself who the \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 class was intended for) and taught only to the students that had already learned the material.\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Therefore the original students (approx. 20) worked with the math intern assigned to our class. (Of \u00a0 the 20 of us, 13 changed our class grade to pass\/fail because we had no idea what was going on. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 [Respondent passed.])\u00a0\u00a0 I have now just finished a summer class at OCC and have learned what I \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 was supposed to \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 have [learned] last year.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 195 \u00a02.25-2.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 18-20\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Michigan-Public\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Engineering<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Algebra 1.\u00a0 Freshman year.<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Math 110, tutoring to get help pass class.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 198 \u00a02.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 500-600 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Private\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business\/ Design<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Minimal math &#8211; didn\u2019t prepare me well &#8211; need to catch up in college.\u00a0 [Respondent took only Algebra 1 and Geometry in H.S.]<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 2<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 206\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 [not given]\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Other\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Fine and Performing Arts.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I am an art major &#8211; no math in college.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong><em>\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Lahser 212\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Non-Michigan-Public\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Fine &amp; Performing Arts<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><em>It was fun.<\/em><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math Placement Exam?\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Basic Math.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 219 \u00a0\u00a03.25-3.75; SAT M 500-600 V 700-800 ; ACT 27-29; MSU\u00a0 Communications\/Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I think there is still a sex bias in which men are driven into the areas of math and science here and encouraged to more than girls.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Algebra I\u00a0 1992 (8th grade).\u00a0 Pre-Calc. 1997.<\/p>\n<p>Math Placement Exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I received an 11\/20 &#8211; Placed in Math 110.[College Algebra and Finite \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Math.]<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>.Lahser 222 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a02.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT\u00a0 18-20\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Private-regional\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Education<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 230 \u00a02.25-2.75\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 500-600 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0 Michigan-Public\u00a0\u00a0 Nursing<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>It was overall pretty good; I know that I\u2019m bad at math, so my grades reflected the fact that I didn\u2019t try too hard.\u00a0 I need to put in extra time for those classes.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes. Spring, 1997, Pre-Calc.\u00a0 Fall, 1997, College Algebra<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes. I was placed in Intermediate Math<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 College Algebra, because I was doing poorly in the class and I wanted \u00a0 to improve my grade.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 233\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75\u00a0 SAT M +V 1100-1200\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes..\u00a0 Math 105 (Pre-Calc). [Took Stat 100.]<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 241\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Michigan-Public\u00a0\u00a0 Science and Liberal Arts<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 250\u00a0\u00a0 2.25-2.75; SAT M 300-400 V 600-700; ACT\u00a0 18-20;\u00a0 Non-Michigan-Public;\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Liberal Arts<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I am a horrible math student (I have had trouble all throughout schooling.), but\u00a0 in high school I was in advanced English.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Algebra I, 1994.\u00a0 Geometry, 1997.<\/p>\n<p>Math Placement Exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 It was 30 questions.\u00a0 I failed.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<a name=\"wptoc_1_1_5\"><\/a><a name=\"wptoc_2_1_5\"><\/a><h2>Lahser Group II Students {accelerated, no calculus}<\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Lahser\u00a0 14 \u00a0 \u00a02.25-2.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Other<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 17 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT\u00a0 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I believe that by taking AP Statistics senior year I scored poorly on the math placement test in college, because I had not used general algebra for quite some time, but once I took algebra in college [Math 103: College Algebra], it was very easy.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0\u00a0 Raw Score: 10. Eligible to enroll in Math 103, 110, 116 or 120.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 20. \u00a0 \u00a02.75-3.25;\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 700-800\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Non-Michigan-Public;\u00a0 Communications<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>High school math departments need to encourage, not discourage, girls to succeed and continue their mathematic[al] careers.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 60 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 600-700\u00a0 ACT 30-34\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0\u00a0 I scored in the 60th percentile and was placed in Calculus.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 62 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>The tests in college (at least at U of M) are MUCH harder than high school tests\u00a0 [Respondent took Calc I&amp;II],\u00a0 which test only the concepts in a way already studied.\u00a0 College tests test the application of the concepts through story problems, ones different from any already in the text.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Algebra II, 1994-95.\u00a0 Pre-Calculus, 1995-96.<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam? Yes.\u00a0 Placed into Calculus I.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 74\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a03.75.-4.00\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M+V 1100-1200;\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 27-29;\u00a0\u00a0 Michigan-Public\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Math was definitely not my favorite class in high school.\u00a0 However, I have really enjoyed the math courses I took in college.\u00a0 I like math a lot more now.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I don\u2019t remember my score, but it was not high enough to place into \u00a0 Calculus.<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college? Yes. Attended Supplemental Instruction right after class, for group study and \u00a0\u00a0 review.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 87\u00a0\u00a0 2.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 400-500\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 21-23\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0 Engineering<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 92 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 700-80\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 30-34\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Liberal Arts<\/p>\n<p>Math Placement Exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed into Pre-Calculus.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 101\u00a0 2.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 500-600 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>College TA\u2019s have been more detrimental to my learning than helpful.\u00a0 Most of my work has been on my own.\u00a0 High School math was completely unhelpful.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math Placement Exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 [Score not given.\u00a0 Took Intro. College Algebra and College Algebra.]<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 2<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 108 \u00a0\u00a02.75-3.25;\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 60-700;\u00a0 Private-regional\u00a0 Social Science\/Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>High school math teachers (at Lahser) were far better than those at [my college].<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 127 \u00a0\u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 500-600 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science\/Liberal \u00a0Arts<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>In high school I learned in math more from the teachers than in college.\u00a0 However, I overall learned more in college because of tutoring.\u00a0 I think that the math program at U of\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 M needs improvement.\u00a0 I along with many others did not learn anything without help from others.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes. Pre-Calc.\u00a0 Junior Year.<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam? Yes.\u00a0 Pre-Calc.<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college? \u00a0<em>Yes.\u00a0 Pre-Calc., because they don\u2019t know how to teach math at all.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 2<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 142\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 700-800\u00a0 ACT\u00a0 30-34\u00a0\u00a0 Other;\u00a0 Liberal Arts<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I didn\u2019t do well in pre-calc. Because, well, I didn\u2019t really like it.\u00a0 So I didn\u2019t do my homework. (Isn\u2019t that terrible?)\u00a0 That\u2019s why my grades went down.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 178 \u00a0\u00a02.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT\u00a0 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Non-Michigan-Public\u00a0\u00a0 Liberal Arts<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 186\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a02.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 21-23\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Michigan-Public\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science\/Education<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Math classes taught do not always apply back to life; because of that it is hard to learn what can\u2019t be applied.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 243\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 2.0-2.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Michigan-Public\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Engineering<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Teachers who are enthusiastic about their subject get a better response.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<a name=\"wptoc_1_1_6\"><\/a><a name=\"wptoc_2_1_6\"><\/a><h2>Lahser Group III Students {accelerated, with calculus}<\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 2 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00; SAT M 700-800 V 700-800;\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 30-34;\u00a0 Private;\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Calc. BC gives excellent preparation for Multivariable Calc., other applications.\u00a0 I think it is very reasonable to cover Algebra II\/Trig\/Pre-Calc. in three semesters instead of the traditional four, leaving room to introduce Multivariable Calc. in Senior Year, if desired.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Credit received for Probability and Statistics. Score around 130\/200.<\/p>\n<p>15a) 5\u00a0\u00a0 b) 5<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 18\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 700-800 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 27-29\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed in the 97% percentile or out of Calc. 116 [Calc. II].<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 N\/A\u00a0\u00a0 b) N\/A<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 30\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT\u00a0 30-34\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Engineering<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I think there are gap[s] between High School and College Math level[s].<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0 1\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 32\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 600-700\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 27-29\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0 Science\/Pre-Professional<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Score of 99th percentile.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 5\u00a0 b)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 71\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a03.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Math in high school was very easy and did not go very in depth.\u00a0 In college we covered a broad variety of topics and went into greater detail.\u00a0 Teaching in college math courses are [read \u201cis\u201d] very poor.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0\u00a0 I scored in the top 20% of students and was placed into Calc. II because of the \u00a0\u00a0 high score and AP test score.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 77.\u00a0 \u00a03.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 700-800 V 600-700\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Private;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science\/Liberal Arts<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Math is based on <u>rules<\/u> whereas some other subjects (e.g. English) are based on connotations; therefore, math needs to be taught (at least in the beginning) in a format stressing <u>rules<\/u> rather than interconnections, which may be interesting, but are confusing to the beginner.\u00a0<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam? Yes.\u00a0 More a test of ability than for placement.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 5\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 83\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 600-700\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Engineering<\/p>\n<p>Math tutoring in college?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Help from my T.A.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4\u00a0 b)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Lahser\u00a0 95\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 700-800\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Private\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 N\/A\u00a0 b) 5 (I received 2 semester\u2019s credit for Calculus.)<\/p>\n<p>Lahser\u00a0 106\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.75-4.00 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0SAT M 700-800 V 600-700\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 30-34\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0 Engineering<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 2\u00a0\u00a0 b) 4<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 118\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 2.75-3.25; SAT M 600-700 V [not given];\u00a0 ACT 21-23;\u00a0\u00a0 Michigan-Public;\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed into Algebra 2.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 120\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 2.25-2.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 27-29\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Math was much harder in High School than college.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I placed into the highest math, Calc. 132<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 5\u00a0 b)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 139\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 2.75-3.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 700-800 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 27-29\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed into Calc. 116.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 153\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 2\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 161\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M+V 1200-1300\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 21-23\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Undeclared<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4\u00a0 b)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 162\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.75-4.00;\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 700-800; ACT 30-34;\u00a0 Non-Michigan-Public;\u00a0 Education<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed into Statistics.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 2\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 165\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75;\u00a0 SAT M 700-800 V 700-800\u00a0\u00a0 Non-Michigan-Public;\u00a0 Science and Fine &amp; \u00a0 Performing Arts<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I feel that I learned almost all of my high school math during Freshman and Sophomore years.\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0[I did not mesh with my advanced math teacher\u2019s ] teaching style, which was more concerned with \u201cDid you get the right answer?\u201d than \u201cDo you know the method to get the right answer?\u201d.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 5\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 2<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 172.\u00a0\u00a0 3.75-4.00; SAT M 700-800 V 700-800; ACT 30-34; UMAA;\u00a0 Science, Liberal \u00a0 Arts, Engineering<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I wish we had learned Abstract Algebra in High School, because it is the basis for many substantial theoretical math courses in college (for math majors).<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 2\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 174\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 30-34\u00a0\u00a0 Non-Michigan-Public\u00a0 Pre-Professional\/Business<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 181\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75;\u00a0 SAT M + V 1200-1300; ACT 27-29; UMAA;\u00a0 Social Science\/Science<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 182\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 325-3.75;\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 600-700\u00a0 ACT 27-29; Non-Michigan-Public \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 185\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 27-29\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Michigan-Public\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed in Calc. I<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 5\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 191\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 27-29\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<p><strong>I hate numbers and formulas.\u00a0 I only like people.\u00a0 T. Koehler was my teacher Senior year.\u00a0 Per his absence most of the year, I was not able to expand and strengthen my already feeble math skills<\/strong> Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes. \u00a0If you can\u2019t tell, I hate math and have a very bad memory.\u00a0 I don\u2019t keep track of scores either.\u00a0 I almost passed into Calc, but not quite per placement exam. [Took Calc. I]<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 1\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 1<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 201\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 700-800 V 700-800\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0UMAA\u00a0\u00a0 Social Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><em>Math 115 [Calc. I] at U of M\u00a0 <u>SUCKS<\/u>.\u00a0 My graduate student instructor hardly spoke English and\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 never properly prepared us for exams.<\/em><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math tutoring in high school?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Geometry Honors,\u00a0 1993-94.\u00a0 Calculus AB, 1996-97.<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed into 185 Calculus but only took 115 Calculus<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0\u00a0 3\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 202\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 600-700\u00a0\u00a0 ACT\u00a0 27-29\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Engineering<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>My school district has changed [its] math program (doesn\u2019t offer Algebra 1 in BHMS) [the middle school that feeds both high schools], and I\u2019m very displeased since I don\u2019t think kids will be as well prepared for math classes at college.\u00a0 I know of kids that came from Andover High School who had a change in their math program, and those kids are having a hard time at college math.\u00a0 I also know of kids who came from other areas that required taking 2 math classes for 1 year (usually geometry and algebra), or that took Algebra 1 sooner than the rest, and I think that\u2019s a great idea.\u00a0 Personally, I think teachers should concentrate more on math than they do, and try to help <u>everyone<\/u> to excel at it, (although this is hard to do).\u00a0 Maybe having more math teachers available from grade school on?<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3 \u00a0b)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 207.\u00a0\u00a0 3.75-4.00; SAT M 700-800 V 700-800;\u00a0 ACT 30-34;\u00a0 Private;\u00a0 Engineering<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>High School math did not prepare me for the <u>rigor<\/u> of college math.\u00a0 [&#8230;]<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 209\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.75-4.00;\u00a0 SAT M 700-800 V 700-800\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 30-34\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Social Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Pre-Calculus and Calculus were a good foundation.\u00a0 The entrance exam as well as\u00a0 the AP exam was approachable because of the good math foundation I had Junior and Senior year, largely due to the teacher\u2019s capabilities.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed out of Calc. 1 &amp; 2.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 4\u00a0 (I didn\u2019t take a specific math course, but I did take courses for which I had to recall and apply high school math.)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 220\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75;\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 700-800 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 27-29\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0 Engineering<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I had some great teachers.\u00a0 Mr. Dobosinski and Mr. Koehler.\u00a0 They helped me a \u00a0 great deal, although to be truthful, math has always [been] quite easy for me.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 I got 97, give or take 3%.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 236\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 700-800\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 30-34\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0 Liberal Arts<\/p>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Calc. II.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 N\/A\u00a0 b)\u00a0 2<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 242\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 600-700 V 500-600\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 24-26\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 MSU\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Business<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 3\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 3<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 245\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.75-4.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 700-800 V 700-800\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 30-34;\u00a0\u00a0 Private\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>My AP Calc. BC and AP Statistics courses were very well taught and have really\u00a0\u00a0 prepared me!<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 No.\u00a0 The AP\u2019s were our placement tests.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 4\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 4<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 252.\u00a0 2.75-3.25; SAT M 600-700 V 500-600;\u00a0 ACT 21-23;\u00a0\u00a0 Non-Michigan-Public; Business<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>I\u2019ve always been good at math.\u00a0 I like math.\u00a0 To me it just makes sense, and that is exactly why Finance will be my major.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes. I placed right below Calculus.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 5\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0 3 (so far)<\/p>\n<p>. Lahser 254\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 500-600 V 700-800\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 30-34\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 UMAA\u00a0\u00a0 Undecided<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Calculus at UM really was not a good experience. [Took Calc. I] Syllabus and method need revamping.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Math placement exam?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Placed into Calc. 115.<\/p>\n<p>15a)\u00a0 5\u00a0\u00a0 b)\u00a0\u00a0 5<\/p>\n<p>Lahser 255\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3.25-3.75\u00a0\u00a0 SAT M 700-800 V 600-700\u00a0\u00a0 ACT 30-34\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Private\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Science<\/p>\n<a name=\"wptoc_0_0_0\"><\/a><a name=\"wptoc_0_0_2\"><\/a><h1><\/h1>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref1\" name=\"_ftn1\">*<\/a> This is the original report, as issued in November 1998.\u00a0 An update will appear shortly. (G.B.\u00a0 11\/15\/99)<\/p>\n<p>\u00a9\u00a0 1998, Gregory F. Bachelis<\/p>\n<p>[1] Address: Department of Mathematics, Wayne State University, Detroit, MI 48202<\/p>\n<p>Telephone: 313-577-3178; e-mail: greg@math.wayne.edu<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref3\" name=\"_ftn3\">[2]<\/a> The American Mathematical Society and the Mathematical Association of America<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref4\" name=\"_ftn4\">[3]<\/a> Another designation would be Trigonometry and Topics in Advanced Algebra.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref5\" name=\"_ftn5\">[4]<\/a> AP = Advanced Placement.\u00a0 Students taking these courses can then take AP exams, which, depending on their scores, entitles them to place out of college courses.\u00a0 There are two levels of AP Calculus courses, AB and BC.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref6\" name=\"_ftn6\">[5]<\/a> There is also \u201cReform Calculus\u201d at the college (or high school) level, such as \u201cHarvard Calculus\u201d.\u00a0 However, it cannot be described as \u201cIntegrated,\u201d since it strives to cover fewer topics than traditional calculus.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref7\" name=\"_ftn7\">[6]<\/a> This is from a letter from Harold Schoen to me concerning the difference between pilot and field-testing.\u00a0\u00a0 The entire letter is in Appendix A.I.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref8\" name=\"_ftn8\">[7]<\/a> This is from excerpts of an e-mail message sent by Marcia Weinhold; the excerpts can be found in Appendix A.II.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref9\" name=\"_ftn9\">[8]<\/a> WBSD is adjacent to BHSD and contains the greater part of West Bloomfield Township, plus the cities of Orchard Lake Village and Keego Harbor.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref10\" name=\"_ftn10\">[9]<\/a> BHSD did a survey of Andover parents\u2019 opinions about Core-Plus.\u00a0 See Appendix B.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref11\" name=\"_ftn11\">[10]<\/a> \u201cHarvard Calculus\u201d is a product of the Consortium based at Harvard.\u00a0 There are several versions.\u00a0 The one used at UMAA is Calculus<u>, Single Variable 2nd ed.<\/u>, by Hughes-Hallett, Gleason <em>et al. <\/em>\u00a0There is a pre-calculus sibling, also used at UMAA: <u>Functions Modeling Change: A Preparation for Calculus<\/u>, by Connally, Hughes-Hallett <em>et al.<\/em> The publisher is J. Wiley &amp; Sons.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref12\" name=\"_ftn12\">[11]<\/a>\u00a0 Course descriptions for some lower division math courses at UMAA and MSU can be found in Appendix D.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref13\" name=\"_ftn13\">[12]<\/a> I don\u2019t think that \u201cHarvard Calculus\u201d is <em>\u00a0<\/em>\u201cCore-Plus goes to College,\u201d as some would have you believe.\u00a0 For one thing, the former doesn\u2019t integrate a lot of topics, and there is some pencil and paper algebra.\u00a0 The two do have some things in common, such as extensive use of graphing calculators, cooperative learning and \u201creal world\u201d problems.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref14\" name=\"_ftn14\">[13]<\/a> Of course other factors enter into advanced placement, but it is safe to assume that the accelerated students were, on average, better in math than those who weren\u2019t.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref15\" name=\"_ftn15\">[14]<\/a> Detroit News, 1\/27\/97<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref16\" name=\"_ftn16\">[15]<\/a> Birmingham Bloomfield Eccentric, 6\/12\/97<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref17\" name=\"_ftn17\">[16]<\/a> In retrospect, I should have asked a question about how well they felt their high school math courses prepared them for college science courses, since this is a non-trivial issue as well.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref18\" name=\"_ftn18\">[17]<\/a>\u00a0 The Curriculum and Evaluation Standards of the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics.\u00a0 They are currently under revision.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref19\" name=\"_ftn19\">[18]<\/a> Recall that \u201caccelerated\u201d refers to people taking Algebra I (or Core 1 in subsequent years at Andover) before the ninth grade.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref20\" name=\"_ftn20\">[19]<\/a> See Appendix A.I<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref21\" name=\"_ftn21\">[20]<\/a> Since Social Science is considered part of Liberal Arts, when someone gives two majors, one in the former and one in the latter but not the former, they are reported simply as Liberal Arts.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref22\" name=\"_ftn22\">[21]<\/a> The Comments in Context are reported in a separate section following this one.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref23\" name=\"_ftn23\">[22]<\/a> See e.g. the comments in Andover 40, 42, 83, 107, 148, 5, 35, 138, 232; Lahser 46, 96, 62, 127.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref24\" name=\"_ftn24\">[23]<\/a> I don\u2019t think that injecting algebra drill is a viable solution to what I consider to be the problems with Core-Plus, in part because of the vast differences in approach of Core and the traditional method.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref25\" name=\"_ftn25\">[24]<\/a> <em>Please note:\u00a0 I have included all responses.\u00a0 Even those which had no comments.\u00a0 The first line contains GPA, SAT, ACT,<\/em><\/p>\n<p>college, and college major information.\u00a0 If comments were given in response to item 16, then they start on the second line, preceded by a \u201cbullet\u201d and written in boldface.\u00a0 Successive items are labeled.\u00a0\u00a0 Other comments may be highlighted in italics or boldface.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref26\" name=\"_ftn26\">[25]<\/a> See also Appendix A.II.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref27\" name=\"_ftn27\">[26]<\/a> See also Lahser 202.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Reform vs. Traditional Math Curricula &nbsp; PRELIMINARY REPORT ON A SURVEY OF THE GRADUATING CLASSES OF 1997 OF ANDOVER HIGH SCHOOL AND LAHSER HIGH SCHOOL, Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, CONCERNING THEIR HIGH SCHOOL MATH PROGRAMS AND HOW WELL THESE PROGRAMS PREPARED THEM FOR COLLEGE MATH &nbsp; Gregory F. 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